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Why no Black Friday?

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Bruno Chowson
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2011-12-09 21:26:48 UTC
This may be a little awkward to bring up, that's why I waited a couple of weeks before posting.

Here goes...

The day after Thanksgiving, as many of you may be aware, is one of the biggest, if not the biggest shopping day of the year in the states. People camp out outside of stores so they can get first dibs on all the sweet deals stores have for that day only.

Using the intergalatic transitive property (Life is real, Eve is life, therefore, Eve is real), I got up SUPER early (read: 8am) on that Friday hoping to scoop up some crazy sales, maybe even a buy 1 get 1 free kind of deal. In my head I was imagining the wonderful minmatar salesslaves at Jita4-4mart rolling out giant palletes of technetium or sterile conduits wrapped in plastic wrap as capsuleers wait at the docking point, clamoring to get in. This would have been a PERFECT time for CCP to stress test WiS as pilots would be stampeding (and pepper-spraying!) each other to get the low-priced merchandise!

Much to my chagrin, there were VERY few sales to be had. Not sure who should be more embarassed, CCP or the trade-bots. I will certainly try again the week before Xmas, as I hope this post makes people realize that they need to cut their profits for holidays so the 99% of us can afford that shiny monocle I have had my eye on this year *hint hint*.

P.S. Please don't feel too bad for me, I was able to get a Caldari Navy Raven named "Raven" on contracts for only 200mil!!!! Greatest deal I have ever seen...well, not since I bought my Caldari Carbon Freighter.
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
#2 - 2011-12-09 22:37:07 UTC
Your clever is weak old man.
Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#3 - 2011-12-09 22:59:36 UTC
8am US-TZ? That was way too late. All us Euros had bought out all the best deals by then.

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David Forge
GameOn Inc.
#4 - 2011-12-10 02:22:32 UTC
I got maced by a woman in Jita because we both were trying to buy the same pallet of Long-Limb Roes. Needless to say she got them.
Kandreath
De Re Metallica
#5 - 2011-12-10 02:44:24 UTC
No offence but I think you were being naive...Ugh - Or are you trolling?

However you do provide a nice segway into how real live activities effect the Eve market.

Rather than a replication of "black Friday" I think you should be looking for knock on effects. For example, it would be more reasonable to expect lower login rate from US subscribes (as they are all at the shops even the eve players... right?). Now the real secret is to find out how you turn that assumption into profit.

Lots of Germans play Eve, perhaps we can think about how German summer holidays might effect the market.

And if anyone has any ideas how a +10EVE time subscriber might profit from that time zone, I'd be VERY interested.

Perhaps we might request a dev blog about log in metrics broken down by region?


Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
#6 - 2011-12-10 08:45:52 UTC
Kandreath wrote:
No offence but I think you were being naive...Ugh - Or are you trolling?


NOT ON MY INTARWEBS!!!

More seriously, I would expect many US players to take the entire weekend off precisely because of all the stuff that goes on over that weekend (such as Black Friday, the Christmas outdoor lights warfare, and putting up the tree).
Callduron
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#7 - 2011-12-10 15:11:20 UTC
When do us white people get a Friday?

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I post on reddit as /u/callduron.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#8 - 2011-12-10 21:08:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Bruno Chowson wrote:
The day after Thanksgiving, as many of you may be aware, is one of the biggest, if not the biggest shopping day of the year in the states.

" In the period from 1993 through 2001, for example, Black Friday ranked from fifth to tenth on the list of busiest shopping days, with the Saturday before Christmas usually taking first place.
In 2003, however, Black Friday actually was the busiest shopping day of the year, and it has retained that position every year since except 2004, when it ranked second. "

The problem with having a Black Friday in-game is the POSSIBILITY of having a large enough sale to matter in one of the hubs that's actually still profitable for the seller, thanks to the fact margins are as close to razor-thin as they can be ALL THE TIME in those places.
I doubt Wall Street is having a Black Friday sale on various stocks, now is it ?

P.S. In case that was not clear enough, the EVE markets are far closer to a stock-market rather than a retail outlet.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2011-12-10 22:41:24 UTC
In real life it is a lot harder to buy out all the special offers and relist the items at their original prices Twisted
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#10 - 2011-12-10 22:57:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Also, the fact RL "special offers" seldom are.
And when they are, the stock is minuscule.
Basically, it's a lame bait-and-switch sort-of-scam.
Jenn Makanen
Doomheim
#11 - 2011-12-11 02:34:02 UTC
Eve also doesn't include the concept of loss leaders, extended warranties and so on.

Zendon Taredi
Tier Four Technologies
#12 - 2011-12-12 11:14:06 UTC
Kandreath wrote:
No offence but I think you were being naive...Ugh - Or are you trolling?

However you do provide a nice segway into how real live activities effect the Eve market.

Rather than a replication of "black Friday" I think you should be looking for knock on effects. For example, it would be more reasonable to expect lower login rate from US subscribes (as they are all at the shops even the eve players... right?). Now the real secret is to find out how you turn that assumption into profit.

Lots of Germans play Eve, perhaps we can think about how German summer holidays might effect the market.

And if anyone has any ideas how a +10EVE time subscriber might profit from that time zone, I'd be VERY interested.

Perhaps we might request a dev blog about log in metrics broken down by region?




segway, meet segue.
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Hemmo Paskiainen
#13 - 2011-12-12 12:09:49 UTC
it is funny that america is such an consumption based economy, funny that this reflects even into video games in all sorts of ways.

buy buy buy. waste waste waste, get fat fatter fatest and complain about how fat u are on doctor´s visits while the moment u leave doktor you go buy or eat something just to feel better,..


I LOL Pirate

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?

OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
#14 - 2011-12-12 13:59:18 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
it is funny that america is such an consumption based economy, funny that this reflects even into video games in all sorts of ways.

buy buy buy. waste waste waste, get fat fatter fatest and complain about how fat u are on doctor´s visits while the moment u leave doktor you go buy or eat something just to feel better,..


I LOL Pirate


You sound both fat and jealous.
David Forge
GameOn Inc.
#15 - 2011-12-12 15:48:39 UTC
I'd be in a bad mood too if my keyboard had no punctuation keys and was really spotty at capitalization.
Covert Kitty
SRS Industries
#16 - 2011-12-12 18:38:40 UTC
Everything in Eve is a commodity type market, you didn't see investors getting special deals on oil or gold contracts on black friday. Of course you wont see it in eve.

As Akita pointed out, black friday is far more similar to jita bait and switch scams than it is to anything about a larger market. They are relying on the idea that once they get you in the store you might buy something, even if you don't get one of their deals.
David Forge
GameOn Inc.
#17 - 2011-12-12 20:35:40 UTC
Considering shopping holidays are really about manipulating and tricking the customer into spending more money than necessary on items they don't really need, everyday in New Eden in Black Friday.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#18 - 2011-12-12 21:24:29 UTC
OllieNorth wrote:

You sound both fat and jealous.


Im Dutch, there is nothing about america i want to be jelous about. Atleast i can smoke dope and visit the hookers legaly. Pirate

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?

DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
Disaster Strikes
#19 - 2011-12-13 05:15:11 UTC
http://i.qkme.me/eb6.jpg

Damn nature, you scary!

David Forge
GameOn Inc.
#20 - 2011-12-13 07:56:32 UTC
Last time I checked, marijuanas are illegal in the Netherlands. Blink
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