EVE General Discussion

Everybody loves their alts. I have noticed many times over though, that instead of people fighting and defending where they live and the resources, they log off in system and switch accounts, leaving you with your thumb up your ass. Then you come along later and there all those alts are ready to blow you up for their kill boards. There was a looped lowsec system without stations, so me and some other newbies went out.


One in a buffer harbinger and me in a rep cruiser and a frigate as well. What happens? A Russian brings in a cyno alt, and a boost alt and black ops drops up before we can do a thing. Two black ops battleships with neuts.

We find out those systems are all empty and unused, why? Because some Russian with dread alts bashes pos's in there too, one person couldn't do all that AND fund it on one account, but of course a few friends can't even play because he survailences those systems.


More near the future I decide a one system lowsec pocket would be nice, too bad some Russians log on and blow you up. So they must be living there right? Me and two other people individual of each other show up in system to shoot the Russians and they all disappear (log off), so we end up shooting each other before we realize we had the same goal, they left anyways.


So it seems you can't participate in these systems because alt armies are denying all the content, but not actually using it them selfs, they'd rather have incursion alts in safety to do the isk.


Overuse of highsec pve content and underuse of lowsec all ties into the same people who just happen to have different alts.

You couldn't murder people on wardecs and bad security status then go back to highsec farming without getting splattered all over the place. Individuals all working together would actually USE those systems. I was in a corp who tried to do just that, but we were small and the 5 people online didn't feel like fighting 30 isboxed thrashers. But I left corp and suicided a smartbomb domi when they didn't want anyone to undock. Threaten to kick me for undocking is not the best way to keep me in a corp.


Trying out pandemic horde though, all the programs and things are getting annoying but they seem very organized and happen to look like a counter for such issues. I also typed all this on a mobile device >_<

Do you find anything about Eve enjoyable?

Think he was not in Horde when that happened.

OP, I'm not sure what the problem is here ... why bother whether the opposing side uses alts or not? A group of 5 real people should always be superior to an army of alts in a fight.

Believe it or not I have proof of a Russian trying to argue the opposite.




They don't like good fights, they don't like risk and they sure as hell love their alts so they just best happen to characterize the problem since there's no word for it all. They do highsec pve on some accounts and pvp on another few, now if there were only Russians left playing EVE, where would the content come from?

pay2win and we all know plexes aren't pay to win.

Russian Ivan evil. Loving vodka into 2 windows.

I recommend relocation.

Do not fk with the Russians.

They have motivation, perseverance and an attitude that takes what happens in EVE on personal level that is orders above and beyond what the rest of us consider worthwhile.

On the otherhand, if you are so inclined. if you manage to defeat a Russian EVE player, you can be sure he has smashed his keyboard to pieces in abject rage.

After that, prepare for a life-long vendetta, as he will remain in EVE for as long as he is alive, just to spite and attack you.

Their reputation is very real, and very deserved.

The self-entitled butthurt is strong with this one.

Eating poutine while forum trolling so full TL:DR mode om my thoughts on alts.

Alts arent the problem, multiboxing is easy is. If a person wants to pay twice as much to have two characters doing two things? Let em. I can do same thing in one.

Issue is mundane tasks are mundane so can run in background. They are time intense lest you rotate with other stuff. Cyno alts, you light it up and that is it. What solo player would ever choose cyno vs combat exception bein bait cyno?

Pvp alts only exist cause combat is advantaged to number of times F1 is pressed.

You probably are going to get yelled at for ranting, but tbh I sort of agree (and occasionally venting like this might yield some positive advice you can use).

Not only does having loads of alts allow you to evade consequences, it makes things have less meaning. I had 17 decs or something on my empire alliance. I used to log into talk to the deccers to take the mikey out of them, i.e. 'if you want to attack 5 faction dickstar/deathstar/resistars with 100 mods each on in your 3 man corp go for it, I want to watch you pound sand and laugh.' Then logged off and relogged nullsec/lowsec alts. Only one guy saw the funny side after I took the mikey so long haggling over the wardec fee I ended up asking him to pay me for wasting my time. But like he said, he was just doing it for content. Ended up talking to him quite a bit, he was absolutely *not* griefing to upset people, at one point he put an alt into a former corp he had dec'd in the past to help them. He just liked playing solo and found decs a way to generate PVP on his terms.

Problem with alts online - some like me are approaching 200m sp on multiple characters so... we don't actually need them anymore because they don't serve specific roles. I hate multiboxing too, so it's getting to the point I'm just holding onto them as investments/sentimental reasons or to cover more distance. It makes it very hard at that point to understand the complaints of people with less SP who struggle to have fun once they are under attack (wardecs/invasions/afk cloaking) etc. If CCP suddenly decided to change the game so SP didn't matter and we only used one alt I know people would go nuts, but I actually wouldn't mind. It is a system that allows older players or those with more RL money/time to farm to skip over the obstacles in such a way they can make it harder for other players. Yes, you can out-think people doing it, but you can't do that for a whole corp or alliance.

I think the advice given earlier to move is probably wise, even if it's annoying. Sounds like a scenario you can't win so you may as well cut your losses and relocate.


I know we're not supposed to use cultural sterotypes on the forums, but it's a mistake to pretend cutural values don't exist, and this one isn't an insult. I spent time in Russia as a child, and that attitude of perserverance really is evident. That's not to say other cultures don't do the same, but it's a matter of pride in Russia to be obstinate.

How's PHorde anyway, I was debating putting an alt there myself to see what it's like?