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Plex for good: Syrian Refugees.

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Marsha Mallow
#21 - 2015-09-05 20:44:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsha Mallow
Natural420 wrote:
if we cant talk about it with our most intellectual internet friends where can we talk about it ?

This isn't going to go away. WE cant just bury our heads in the sand. I am fairly certain a good portion of the most intelligent people in the world play eve. I think this is one of the best places to discuss the matter.

Well talking about it might help. Player sites, corp/alliance forums? It actually is really upsetting and frustrating watching dead children being pulled out of the water. But CCP can't get involved and they probably shouldn't allow people to tear into each other on their official forum in frustration. I was talking to family about this today, and the internet is a powerful weapon for those of us with something to say. So we need to find somethere to say it that will make a difference. I'm looking atm tbh, news article comments show the same frustration.

ed. funnily enough btw, some of the best comments on my favourite news sites are from EvE players. They even use their EvE names, which amuses the hell out of me.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Estevan Valladares
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2015-09-05 20:45:28 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Spartan 005 wrote:
Im going to say no.

Syria screwed themselves up.

No country next to syria which are some of the richest gobeements in the world wont accept them.

Our goverment and country is stetched to breaking point ywt we still have to take them in and give them free benifits and aid and local nhs treatment.

We also know isis black cells are mixed in with them.

No no no no no bloody no

Not to single you out or anything, but this is exactly why CCP can't involve themselves in something so politically charged, and it's why we can't have a discussion about this here. This is a gaming forum, and political debates like this just wind people up. You have very good reasons for your comments, but they will upset people who are already upset over watching that refugee crisis unfold.



Exactly


You forget one truth: EVE is real™

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Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2015-09-05 20:45:56 UTC
Natural420 wrote:
I am fairly certain a good portion of the most intelligent people in the world play eve.

*fails at his attempt not to laugh out loud...
Widow77
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2015-09-05 20:46:00 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Natural420 wrote:
if we cant talk about it with our most intellectual internet friends where can we talk about it ?

This isn't going to go away. WE cant just bury our heads in the sand. I am fairly certain a good portion of the most intelligent people in the world play eve. I think this is one of the best places to discuss the matter.

Well talking about it might help. Player sites, corp/alliance forums? It actually is really upsetting and frustrating watching dead children being pulled out of the water. But CCP can't get involved and they probably shouldn't allow people to tear into each other on their official forum in frustration. I was talking to family about this today, and the internet is a powerful weapon for those of us with something to say. So we need to find somethere to say it that will make a difference. I'm looking atm tbh, news article comments show the same frustration.



Perhaps CCP should shut down Eve online untill the matter is resolved. In a mark of respect to the situation having World wide and far reaching consequences.
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#25 - 2015-09-05 20:47:47 UTC
+1 OP, agreed completely on this.

Would gladly grind to donate.



Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Syria was embroiled, as it is now, in civil war well before ISIS even became a thing.

The humanitarian crisis certainaly is huge, but the largest historically was Finlands diaspora out of Karelia, and Soviet conwuest territories in WWII, to which no nation responded or cared, and which most people today are unaware of.

How and where exactly do you expect Plex for Good to affect the people fleeing Syria?

In Iceland alone, 11,000 people have offered their home as a place to stay for refugees, despite the governments 50 limit.

In Finland the prime minister has offered up his own home.


I would like to correct as a Finn, and with Karelian heritage from my fathers side, that "only" at max. 500 000 people were relocated from Karelia to other parts of the Finland after WW2.

Sure, about 15% of population, but there are MILLIONS of refugees now outside and inside of Syria.

And if they won´t get help there, they will come seeking it from elsewhere.
Estevan Valladares
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2015-09-05 20:48:03 UTC
Guttripper wrote:
Natural420 wrote:
I am fairly certain a good portion of the most intelligent people in the world play eve.

*fails at his attempt not to laugh out loud...


I couldnt . I fell down.

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#27 - 2015-09-05 20:49:05 UTC
Widow77 wrote:
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Natural420 wrote:
if we cant talk about it with our most intellectual internet friends where can we talk about it ?

This isn't going to go away. WE cant just bury our heads in the sand. I am fairly certain a good portion of the most intelligent people in the world play eve. I think this is one of the best places to discuss the matter.

Well talking about it might help. Player sites, corp/alliance forums? It actually is really upsetting and frustrating watching dead children being pulled out of the water. But CCP can't get involved and they probably shouldn't allow people to tear into each other on their official forum in frustration. I was talking to family about this today, and the internet is a powerful weapon for those of us with something to say. So we need to find somethere to say it that will make a difference. I'm looking atm tbh, news article comments show the same frustration.



Perhaps CCP should shut down Eve online untill the matter is resolved. In a mark of respect to the situation having World wide and far reaching consequences.

Well they already shut down your identical thread in OOPE a few days ago, but here you are again but in GD Roll and making demands that CCP shut down. Just go away bad-troll P

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Marsha Mallow
#28 - 2015-09-05 20:50:52 UTC
Widow77 wrote:
Perhaps CCP should shut down Eve online untill the matter is resolved. In a mark of respect to the situation having World wide and far reaching consequences.

We could all go on hunger strike too, until all of the problems in the world are fixed. And sit around congratulating each other on a point well made. Or, we could go fix some of them.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Natural420
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#29 - 2015-09-05 20:53:24 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
International powers that be (Western particularly) stuck their neck out on intervention in Libya against Gaddafi, as far as they could (and exclusive to air/navy support, no boots on the ground.)

View the abstaining votes and speeches of certain Security Council states in the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973, for more elucidation as to why the international community was politically unable to further involve itself in the Syrian issue in support of the revolt vs the al-Assad autocracy (before ISIS altogether).

The Arab Spring managed to sweep the north african coast of autocratic rulers that had ruled for generations, but Syria came too late in the chain, and the West could not interfere in the Syrian Revolt, though the rebels dearly needed it and hoped for it.

The West failed them in their attempt for freedom. And hence the situation is worse than ever, al-Assad still rules, and ISIS is now at the borders of a fractured nation.



America effectivly rendered the United nations null and void by undermining their requests not to intervene in the middle east.

America took matters into thier own hands and dismantled Several Middle eastern states including, most notably, Iraq and Libya.

United nations no longer has power to act as a force in the world and i beleive this is the key reason Russia is so pissed with the Americans.

Un being the main peace keeping force after the League of nations(ww1)


The short end of it is that Your statement is irrelevent and mis informed(tho bettr typed out than my own)
Salvos Rhoska
#30 - 2015-09-05 20:54:26 UTC
0bama Barack Hussein wrote:

I would like to correct as a Finn, and with Karelian heritage from my fathers side, that "only" at max. 500 000 people were relocated from Karelia to other parts of the Finland after WW2.

Sure, about 15% of population, but there are MILLIONS of refugees now outside and inside of Syria.

And if they won´t get help there, they will come seeking it from elsewhere.


Moi,

I am also a Finn.

15% of the population in Syria vs nearly 100% of the regions population in terms of the Karelian evacuation.

Magnitude aside, Syria could have been having its first free elections in two generations right now had the international community intervened in favor of the rebels at the onset of the revolution, against al-Assad.

Instead, years later, Syria is still in civil war, and now ISIS is right on its borders and motivating/recruiting since the rest of the world failed to intervene against al-Assad, and help the revolution when they needed it most.
Salvos Rhoska
#31 - 2015-09-05 20:56:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Natural420 wrote:
The short end of it is that Your statement is irrelevent and mis informed(tho bettr typed out than my own)

You are categorically wrong.

View the abstaining votes and speeches of certain Security Council states in the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973, which was put forward so as to save civilian lives from imminent and anticipated genocide by Gaddafi.

Much the same as Bashar al-Assad has also committed genocide on his own population, in the absence of intervention.

Come back when you know which members of the UN intervened in Libya, and which abstained from the decision altogether, and why.

Furthermore, you seem to be unaware that most of the N.African coast was swept free of autocratic rulers of several generations during this period known as the Arab Spring by the citizens of those nations, as well as unfortunately failed attempts in others.

Successful revolts include Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Yemen. Civil uprisings erupted in Bahrain (crushed utterly) and Syria (ongoing). Major protests broke out in Algeria, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Morocco, and Sudan. Minor protests occurred in Mauritania, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Djibouti, Western Sahara, and Palestine.

All of these happened within the narrow period of 2 years.
Natural420
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#32 - 2015-09-05 21:02:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Natural420
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Natural420 wrote:
The short end of it is that Your statement is irrelevent and mis informed(tho bettr typed out than my own)

You are categorically wrong.

View the abstaining votes and speeches of certain Security Council states in the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973, which was put forward so as to save civilian lives from imminent and anticipated genocide by Gaddafi.

Much the same as Bashar al-Assad has also committed genocide on his own population, in the absence of intervention.

Come back when you know which members of the UN intervened in Libya, and which abstained from the decision altogether, and why.



Assad commited no genocide on his own people. The Sarin gas attacks were purpotradted by non government aligned insurgents probably funded by the USA.


The USA France and GB conducted the Vast majority of the air raids on Libya. But whilst they are members of the UN they certainly acted without the UN blessing.

In short it doesnt mattr how you dress it or defend it the United nations is no longer an Authority
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#33 - 2015-09-05 21:02:48 UTC
Natural420 wrote:
America effectivly ... America took ... with the Americans.

Well I clearly remember a time when all the world LOVED obama, wanted him elected, and right afterwords he did his world tour apologizing for America. All I can say is: I told you so.
meh he's out soon.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Natural420
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#34 - 2015-09-05 21:05:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Natural420
Webvan wrote:
Natural420 wrote:
America effectivly ... America took ... with the Americans.

Well I clearly remember a time when all the world LOVED obama, wanted him elected, and right afterwords he did his world tour apologizing for America. All I can say is: I told you so.
meh he's out soon.



Its not about obama or whoever you elect. its about the pirates that created America in the first place.
Salvos Rhoska
#35 - 2015-09-05 21:05:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Natural420 wrote:

The USA France and GB conducted the Vast majority of the air raids on Libya. But whilst they are members of the UN they certainly acted without the UN blessing..


Read the Resolution.

You are completely and utterly misinformed to the level of tinfoil hattery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1973

The action in Libya was ENTIRELY and STRICTLY under UN "blessing".

"Ten Security Council members voted in the affirmative (Bosnia and Herzegovina, Colombia, Gabon, Lebanon, Nigeria, Portugal, South Africa, and permanent members France, the United Kingdom, and the United States). Five (Brazil, Germany, and India, and permanent members China and Russia) abstained, with none opposed.[3]"

Then watch the speeches of the Security Council members in explanation of their vote.
Natural420
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#36 - 2015-09-05 21:08:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Natural420
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Natural420 wrote:

The USA France and GB conducted the Vast majority of the air raids on Libya. But whilst they are members of the UN they certainly acted without the UN blessing..


Read the Resolution.

You are completely and utterly misinformed to the level of tinfoil hattery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1973

The action in Libya was ENTIRELY and STRICTLY under UN "blessing".

Then watch the speeches of the Security Council members in explanation of their vote.



The devil is in the detail as they say.


America caused this problem so they should clean it up end of story.

If they want to become 4th reich nazis and take over the world and ignore the UN then thats up to them But why should i as a British subject be forced to watch PIRATES who rejected thier king(thats the US forefathers) force us to clean up thier mess ?
Salvos Rhoska
#37 - 2015-09-05 21:10:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Natural420 wrote:
So fine im wrong.


You've been walking around for 4 years thinking the intervention on Libya was not UN sanctioned, and not understanding its circumstances, even though this is happening during your own lifetime and in recent memory.

You've no doubt been ranting at people on that false basis, and formulating your opinions on it.

Now ask yourself what else you might be wrong about in your resolute obstinacy.

Contemplate on that for awhile, do some research and re-evaluate your positions.
Natural420
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#38 - 2015-09-05 21:11:38 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Natural420 wrote:
So fine im wrong.


Now ask yourself what else you might be wrong about in your resolute obstinacy.

Contemplate on that for awhile, do some research and re-evaluate your positions.


You need to go home and dig a little deeper. Jesus can save you. But i dont think anyone else will.
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#39 - 2015-09-05 21:12:17 UTC
CCP, just do this quick before Elite Dangerous or Star Citizen does it as a public stunt!
Salvos Rhoska
#40 - 2015-09-05 21:14:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Natural420 wrote:
You need to go home


I am at home.

Are you high or drunk or something?

Returning to topic I wonder if CCP has any statistics on EVE players located in Syria, both past and present.

For them, I would certainly be willing to make somekind of stand in solidarity for a resolution of conflict and as a gesture of support.

After all, we are all interconnected in EVE, as we are in the real world.
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