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Time to bring in the mine sweepers.
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Dradius Calvantia
Lip Shords
#21 - 2011-12-09 21:25:29 UTC
Solutions:

1. No local, no worries.

2. Be capable of defending your self.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#22 - 2011-12-09 21:25:57 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
As someone suggested earlier, anchor cans around your gates. Those are your mines, the explosion happens when your prey bumps one and you alpha them.


That involves sitting multiple people on gates 23/7, where they will be bored out of their minds and simply refuse to spend their play time doing nothing.
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2011-12-09 21:42:52 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
You do realize that someone who is afk can't actually camp or kill you?








They don't, that's why these idiotic threads keep popping up.

What would be awesome, is whenever someone makes these threads, the next time they log in, their pod explodes randomly.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#24 - 2011-12-09 21:46:03 UTC
Dorian Wylde wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
You do realize that someone who is afk can't actually camp or kill you?








They don't, that's why these idiotic threads keep popping up.

What would be awesome, is whenever someone makes these threads, the next time they log in, their pod explodes randomly.


Allow me to educate you.

And "AFK Cloaker" is not necessarily AFK. These are generally alts flying stealth bombers or cynoboats with cloaks, who are parked in a random system and left online. At any random point in time, the character's owner could decide to gank someone. The effect is that there is a small but ever-present risk in the system - at a moment's notice, that guy you assumed was AFK because he hasn't been offline in 2 weeks could decloak next to you, light a cyno, and before you know it, you are spacedust.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#25 - 2011-12-09 21:47:16 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Allow me to educate you.

And "AFK Cloaker" is not necessarily AFK. These are generally alts flying stealth bombers or cynoboats with cloaks, who are parked in a random system and left online. At any random point in time, the character's owner could decide to gank someone. The effect is that there is a small but ever-present risk in the system - at a moment's notice, that guy you assumed was AFK because he hasn't been offline in 2 weeks could decloak next to you, light a cyno, and before you know it, you are spacedust.
A small but ever present risk?

In 0.0?

STOP THE PRESSES

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#26 - 2011-12-09 21:49:23 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Allow me to educate you.

And "AFK Cloaker" is not necessarily AFK. These are generally alts flying stealth bombers or cynoboats with cloaks, who are parked in a random system and left online. At any random point in time, the character's owner could decide to gank someone. The effect is that there is a small but ever-present risk in the system - at a moment's notice, that guy you assumed was AFK because he hasn't been offline in 2 weeks could decloak next to you, light a cyno, and before you know it, you are spacedust.
…which means the problem has nothing to do with AFK cloaking.
Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris
#27 - 2011-12-09 21:50:32 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
I got ya, here ya go:

0) Be prepared*
1) Get a hauler,
2) Fill it with 50 small containers,
3) Go to gate,
4) Jump,
5) Jettison all the containers
6) Wait for them to follow you,
7) ???
8) Profit.

*Get your buddies to all fit CRUISERS and FRIGATES ONLY, no fuckin battleships. If someone doesn't fit a point, pod him. Repeat if necessary.

Now if he doesn't follow you, he's just afk, no threat.



This is illegal and a bannable offense.

man, you just LOVE giving out bad info, don't you?

On it's own, this is not bannable. If you do this deliberately to create lag, you're in trouble but dumping these out to decloak someone is perfectly legit.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#28 - 2011-12-09 22:01:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Pesky LaRue wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
I got ya, here ya go:

0) Be prepared*
1) Get a hauler,
2) Fill it with 50 small containers,
3) Go to gate,
4) Jump,
5) Jettison all the containers
6) Wait for them to follow you,
7) ???
8) Profit.

*Get your buddies to all fit CRUISERS and FRIGATES ONLY, no fuckin battleships. If someone doesn't fit a point, pod him. Repeat if necessary.

Now if he doesn't follow you, he's just afk, no threat.



This is illegal and a bannable offense.

man, you just LOVE giving out bad info, don't you?

On it's own, this is not bannable. If you do this deliberately to create lag, you're in trouble but dumping these out to decloak someone is perfectly legit.


If someone petitions you for dumping containers/shuttles/etc claiming you were intentionally trying to create lag, you will get a GM warning. If you get more than one GM warning for doing the same thing, the banhammer is certainly on the table.

☼

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#29 - 2011-12-09 22:06:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Doc Fury wrote:
Pesky LaRue wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
I got ya, here ya go:

0) Be prepared*
1) Get a hauler,
2) Fill it with 50 small containers,
3) Go to gate,
4) Jump,
5) Jettison all the containers
6) Wait for them to follow you,
7) ???
8) Profit.

*Get your buddies to all fit CRUISERS and FRIGATES ONLY, no fuckin battleships. If someone doesn't fit a point, pod him. Repeat if necessary.

Now if he doesn't follow you, he's just afk, no threat.



This is illegal and a bannable offense.

man, you just LOVE giving out bad info, don't you?

On it's own, this is not bannable. If you do this deliberately to create lag, you're in trouble but dumping these out to decloak someone is perfectly legit.


If someone petitions you for dumping containers/shuttles/etc claiming you were intentionally trying to create lag, you will get a GM warning. If you get more than one GM warning for doing the same thing, the banhammer is certainly on the table.


Through observation the very, very rough gauge I use is:

Each ship on the scene is allowed up to five objects in space around it, be they drones (active or jettisoned), cargo containers, what ever. Apparently GMs are given large discretion in this issue, so in no way should that be considered an absolute.

Edit: Corpses used to make the most effective "decloaking mine". Smile

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#30 - 2011-12-09 22:13:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Okay did some eve searching here is the last interation of it as its a 'soft' rule.

"I would just like to stress that the point of this thread isn't to discuss what is allowed and what isn't, it's to advocate for a centralized repository of "the rules" so that players don't need to waste precious GM resources asking if they are allowed to drop decloaking cans or not (answer: it is allowed so long as it is not excessive, as determined on a per-case basis by the GM at hand)."

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=103970#post103970

On the old forums this came up as a temporary bann offense back then.

Good indicator for when I am not spreading misinfomration when I am extremly prompt one line response that is not joking about the issue.

Also isnt this the third time you questioned my credibility?

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Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris
#31 - 2011-12-09 22:41:10 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Pesky LaRue wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
I got ya, here ya go:

0) Be prepared*
1) Get a hauler,
2) Fill it with 50 small containers,
3) Go to gate,
4) Jump,
5) Jettison all the containers
6) Wait for them to follow you,
7) ???
8) Profit.

*Get your buddies to all fit CRUISERS and FRIGATES ONLY, no fuckin battleships. If someone doesn't fit a point, pod him. Repeat if necessary.

Now if he doesn't follow you, he's just afk, no threat.



This is illegal and a bannable offense.

man, you just LOVE giving out bad info, don't you?

On it's own, this is not bannable. If you do this deliberately to create lag, you're in trouble but dumping these out to decloak someone is perfectly legit.


If someone petitions you for dumping containers/shuttles/etc claiming you were intentionally trying to create lag, you will get a GM warning. If you get more than one GM warning for doing the same thing, the banhammer is certainly on the table.
the key thing is the "intentionally creating lag" part - which SHOULD be banable - forcing someone to decloak is not the same thing
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2011-12-09 22:44:44 UTC
Jack Tronic wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
You do realize that someone who is afk can't actually camp or kill you?


You do realise that someone who owns material to buid an nuclear missile cant actually kill you ?
right ?,,

oh.. wait...


They can't because they require the knowledge to build one as well.


even if they got it under construction, it still cant harm you .. so you will just wait until its finished. than it cant really harm you either.. so you wait until its lunched, which cant harm you. then it goes down and explode near your house... too late to do anything now i suppose.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#33 - 2011-12-09 22:58:37 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Jack Tronic wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
You do realize that someone who is afk can't actually camp or kill you?


You do realise that someone who owns material to buid an nuclear missile cant actually kill you ?
right ?,,

oh.. wait...


They can't because they require the knowledge to build one as well.


even if they got it under construction, it still cant harm you .. so you will just wait until its finished. than it cant really harm you either.. so you wait until its lunched, which cant harm you. then it goes down and explode near your house... too late to do anything now i suppose.


Indeed. It is far better to become totally paralyzed with fear of what "might" happen than to take steps to deal with the issue if it "does" happen.

You are not helpless.

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Baaldor
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2011-12-09 23:05:43 UTC
Bilboz wrote:
As we are begin afk cloaked camped for the 4 day now. A good debate has gone on over cloaking/greifing. As i hate nerfing in general my answer is to follow the real-life solution navys have used to deal with subs. CCP should put out a cruiser/battlecruiser hull'd ship designed to one purpose only..hunting cloaked ships thru use of mine deployment. these ship would use waypoints/celestrals to deploy a mine with a search radius of x.If a mine has a contact in that radius the mine goes off doing some amount of damage but disabling the cloak for a set period of time. Ok flame away..Idea



Have a question for you, have you brought this up with in your OWN alliance? Or are you new in town and have no fcking clue?
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#35 - 2011-12-09 23:20:18 UTC
Best way to deal with an afk cloaker: fit points on your PvE ships. When he tries to gank, point, call some buddies, watch the cloaker die in a fire.
Alski
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2011-12-09 23:26:24 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Allow me to educate you.

And "AFK Cloaker" is not necessarily AFK. These are generally alts flying stealth bombers or cynoboats with cloaks, who are parked in a random system and left online. At any random point in time, the character's owner could decide to gank someone. The effect is that there is a small but ever-present risk in the system - at a moment's notice, that guy you assumed was AFK because he hasn't been offline in 2 weeks could decloak next to you, light a cyno, and before you know it, you are spacedust.
A small but ever present risk?

In 0.0?

STOP THE PRESSES


Crumplecorn wrote:

ever present risk


This is the part that's never been quite right, players and forum warriors love to point out that Eve is hardcore, harsh, and punishes the weak, but since almost forever we've had a mechanic than allows an absolute zero risk, permanent intelligence gathering capability that can fielded with ship classes that have distinct advantages for surprise attacks at a moment of their choosing with significant advantages in a 1v1 or in some cases a 1v-few fight.

Its the borderline carebear tactic of null PvP and it requires a highly asymmetric amount of manpower on standby to counter while also having a psychological effect on the systems inhabitants.

But nah its all hardcore and s*** right, just HTFU... oh wait I don't care, null is too dull to bother with these days. ymmv.

ps: "AFK" is a loose term, some of us have more than one monitor Blink
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#37 - 2011-12-09 23:40:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Pesky LaRue wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Pesky LaRue wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
I got ya, here ya go:

0) Be prepared*
1) Get a hauler,
2) Fill it with 50 small containers,
3) Go to gate,
4) Jump,
5) Jettison all the containers
6) Wait for them to follow you,
7) ???
8) Profit.

*Get your buddies to all fit CRUISERS and FRIGATES ONLY, no fuckin battleships. If someone doesn't fit a point, pod him. Repeat if necessary.

Now if he doesn't follow you, he's just afk, no threat.



This is illegal and a bannable offense.

man, you just LOVE giving out bad info, don't you?

On it's own, this is not bannable. If you do this deliberately to create lag, you're in trouble but dumping these out to decloak someone is perfectly legit.


If someone petitions you for dumping containers/shuttles/etc claiming you were intentionally trying to create lag, you will get a GM warning. If you get more than one GM warning for doing the same thing, the banhammer is certainly on the table.
the key thing is the "intentionally creating lag" part - which SHOULD be banable - forcing someone to decloak is not the same thing


So how exactly does the GM determine "intent" unless they were there, or you stupidly dump 50-100 cans/shuttles/etc.

If a GM is not present when it happened, and a petition accusing you of creating lag is filed, a GM only has to determine if you did in fact drop more than a couple items where the accuser said you did. If you did, you get a warning. Multiple warnings = banhammer.

I have been on the receiving-end of one of these petitions for dropping 3 jet cans near a lowsec gate. The GM very politely explained he had no way of knowing if it really was lagging out the other player or not, or what my intentions were, but that if they received multiple complaints because I continued to do it, I could be banned.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2011-12-09 23:44:26 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:


And "AFK Cloaker" is not necessarily AFK. These are generally alts flying stealth bombers or cynoboats with cloaks, who are parked in a random system and left online. At any random point in time, the character's owner could decide to gank someone. The effect is that there is a small but ever-present risk in the system - at a moment's notice, that guy you assumed was AFK because he hasn't been offline in 2 weeks could decloak next to you, light a cyno, and before you know it, you are spacedust.


Intriguing. You say I...I mean the "AFK cloaker" doesn't even have to be particularly threatening on m..their own?
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#39 - 2011-12-09 23:58:37 UTC
Pavel Bidermann wrote:
The many cans tactic should be viable and not bannable. I cloak a lot and expect that kind of thing. Of all the things that you can get a ban for, that seems pretty stupid.


Too many objects in space will have a nasty impact on the server (to the point of potentially crashing the cluster), and CCP has a clause in the EULA specifically forbidding such things. If you do it, expect a trip back to Old Terra, courtesy of the Starship Banhammer.

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Cloora
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
#40 - 2011-12-10 00:03:50 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
I got ya, here ya go:

0) Be prepared*
1) Get a hauler,
2) Fill it with 50 small containers,
3) Go to gate,
4) Jump,
5) Jettison all the containers
6) Wait for them to follow you,
7) ???
8) Profit.

*Get your buddies to all fit CRUISERS and FRIGATES ONLY, no fuckin battleships. If someone doesn't fit a point, pod him. Repeat if necessary.

Now if he doesn't follow you, he's just afk, no threat.



This is illegal and a bannable offense.



It is not. I tried to petition someone for doing this and they told me unless it causes lag, it is legitimate.

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