Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well, argue it all you want but you're perspective is incorrect. A 'gu used to be about as good as mission running got, but a vargur can and does make a tengu look amateur at L4's, and I've heard a golem is even better, though I've never flown one. L5's and high end anoms weren't designed to be run by a single subcap, but still, marauders can handle a few of them. How is that not OP? Because they are not capable of solo'ing incursions?



Switching to PVP:

A dread is also completely immobile while in siege. Unlike a dread, which struggles to hit anything moving, a vargur can bulls-eye ships 80k out, with reasonable reliability. A dread struggles with this, unless the pilot is doing the dread a favor and sitting still. For class size, a dread tanks horribly(swaglfar excluded), where a marauder, for class size, tanks like a champ. A marauder has no need to chase because its damage application is so very good at so many ranges, and it has drones to chase anything too fast for it to hit. A dread does not.

A battleship can chase, sure, but with a handful of exceptions, battleships don't tend to tank very well, and struggle with capacitor to chase for any distance farther than a marauder can comfortably hit while in bastion. A battleship also struggles to hit things as a rule.


Everything has counters. So the marauder is counter-able by neuts, big deal. So are triage carriers. You know what it's not counterable by? Every other form of Ewar. Like triage carriers as well, marauder pilots are quite capable of ducking in and out of bastion for assistance. Unlike triage, they don't have to wait 5 minutes to do so. The problem you're looking at is people not knowing their ship nor how to use it. Marauders are far from weak, people are just stupid. They drop a single marauder in on 15-20 dudes and then wonder why they died, or they bastion up on station and get blapped by a dread, and wonder why their x thousand DPS tank with small buffer was blapped off the field by a blap moros.

I'm not suggesting take anything away from them. They are wonderful how they are. But they ARE OP as far as PVE, especially high sec PVE, is concerned, and they are very capable in PVP. People are just idiots and don't know how to use their ship, nor understand their enemy. Marauders don't need anything taken, but they don't need anything given either. Literally the only thing I can think of that they may have some justification for is a bit more cargo. Even that isn't necessary though. Field 3 marauders together, fit your utility highs with energy transfers/RR, and as needed duck in and out of bastion for aid. Or bring a couple augoror's/ospreys.

As an aside, there could be some very interesting scenarios if marauders were given a ship maintenance bay/fitting service similar to a nestor.

As a pilot in general: more damage is great.
As a Marauder pilot: I already get damage bonuses with or without Bastion. In Bastion mode, I get bonuses to my weapons (not damage mind you) and repair.

From the sounds of it, you are looking for a 1 size fits all solution... the uber ship to rule all ships... the One Ring. Fact of the matter is: the Marauder is already a powerful ship. In the right situation is will win hands down. The problem with EVE is... well, its MMO and with it all the uncontrollable variables you have to deal with: not every situation will be the best situation.

You can mitigate variables, but in the end, you can never achieve absolute control.

So, you said that Marauder is so good that you needs a 2 pirate ships to be equal to it in PVE performance?

then where you feel they have issue on?
Fleets?
PvP?
something else?

I do agree that while Bastion make Marauder much more useful, it also make it much more risky to use in low/null system that see a lot of activity.

honest, I don't see how reduce from 1 min to 30 sec would help or better sensor strength.

any pilot worth salt would use dscan to locate you if you work on combat site.

Multibox 3 marauders... op success