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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2015-09-03 19:04:21 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Altair Taurus wrote:

So battleships received some serious nerf lately? What are more powerful and flexible ships in EVE now?



The warp speed changes effectively made them impossible to roam with, as they will go much slower than the rest of the gang. Now baltec1 has already seen this thread so I assume he is going to say I'm dead wrong and that if you just triple warp-speed rig a megathron, you get a perfectly viable ship. The latest round of warp speed rig changes where they no longer penalize your CPU actually has done a good deal for this, as with just 3 of them you warp a little faster than a cruiser.

Either way, even if you use all three rig slots so they can just keep up with a cruiser fleet, most find that they are still not worth the cost or effort they entail, and they have projection and speed issues without lots of tackle in your gang. Everything these days worth flying (by popular perception and killboard statistics) is small, fast, and projects damage extremely well against small targets.

The warp speed thing is a direct buff to small things, thus a proxy nerf to big things. The speed meta is a buff to small things, thus a proxy nerf to big things.



Don't even need the rigs to roam, I'm running around after svipuls right nowTwisted
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#22 - 2015-09-03 19:20:35 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Don't even need the rigs to roam, I'm running around after svipuls right nowTwisted

Why does that not surprise me in the least? Lol

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#23 - 2015-09-03 22:01:11 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
It's also just a myth spouted by highsec.

I'd say it's something more of a half truth. there is almost always fighting going on somewhere, but the blocs are large and cover a lot of territory. They tend to fight each other from time to time, but usually don't' commit too much to any one fight. Better to Evac than lose a ton of stuff. A small startup that tries to ninja sov can be successful, but the second the big guys decide to kick them out they can pretty easily.

anyways there is still a ton of ratting/exploration going on almost all the time, and generally enough stability to export resulting loot drops to jita to sell.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#24 - 2015-09-03 22:05:17 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
It's also just a myth spouted by highsec.

I'd say it's something more of a half truth. there is almost always fighting going on somewhere, but the blocs are large and cover a lot of territory. They tend to fight each other from time to time, but usually don't' commit too much to any one fight. Better to Evac than lose a ton of stuff. A small startup that tries to ninja sov can be successful, but the second the big guys decide to kick them out they can pretty easily.

anyways there is still a ton of ratting/exploration going on almost all the time, and generally enough stability to export resulting loot drops to jita to sell.

I was in the middle of a warzone late last year down in null and ratted in perfect peace and quiet 90% of the time. That's not a myth. I figure you can get near 99% uptime ratting in the middle of the really big nblocs

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Mikkir
SHINKETSU Inc.
#25 - 2015-09-03 23:57:28 UTC
Speaking of changes, didn't they make a change to T2 insurance payouts as well, or am I remembering incorrectly?
Altair Taurus
#26 - 2015-09-04 00:16:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
So you are trying to tell me that now the best way to make money in EVE is to go to null-sec shooting rats in anomalies? If so, CCP should think about new game... Ugh
Paranoid Loyd
#27 - 2015-09-04 00:31:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
"Best" is subjective, it is certainly one of the more consistent ways. I prefer to make my isk by taking it from others, to me that is best, but also very inconsistent, then again, I don't have to PVE ever unless I choose to.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#28 - 2015-09-04 02:01:42 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
So you are trying to tell me that now the best way to make money in EVE is to go to null-sec shooting rats in anomalies? If so, CCP should think about new game... Ugh


I doubt it, but it is easy and accessible, so many people do it. and you can multibox it with decent results. Multiple ships in same anom for increased kill speed, or multiple ships in separate anoms.

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Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#29 - 2015-09-04 02:27:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Altair Taurus wrote:
So you are trying to tell me that now the best way to make money in EVE is to go to null-sec shooting rats in anomalies? If so, CCP should think about new game... Ugh


I doubt it, but it is easy and accessible, so many people do it. and you can multibox it with decent results. Multiple ships in same anom for increased kill speed, or multiple ships in separate anoms.

Yup, you also don't have to muck about with stuff like loot (drone lands) or LP. Just pure unending isk fountain for as long as you can click warp to site. Biggest Isk injection this side of Incursions. Hell Blitzing Lv 4 missions might generate more wealth (solo) but it sometimes ends up being an isk sink believe it or not. If you have a lot of toons then you can make silly amounts per hour (around 60-80mill per toon per hour) out in null. Hell laser boats don't even need ammo hah.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#30 - 2015-09-04 06:02:39 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Altair Taurus wrote:
So you are trying to tell me that now the best way to make money in EVE is to go to null-sec shooting rats in anomalies? If so, CCP should think about new game... Ugh


I doubt it, but it is easy and accessible, so many people do it. and you can multibox it with decent results. Multiple ships in same anom for increased kill speed, or multiple ships in separate anoms.

Yup, you also don't have to muck about with stuff like loot (drone lands) or LP. Just pure unending isk fountain for as long as you can click warp to site. Biggest Isk injection this side of Incursions. Hell Blitzing Lv 4 missions might generate more wealth (solo) but it sometimes ends up being an isk sink believe it or not. If you have a lot of toons then you can make silly amounts per hour (around 60-80mill per toon per hour) out in null. Hell laser boats don't even need ammo hah.



I'd like to give this a try and see if it can compare to what I'm making grinding these SOE lev 4s. Do you happen to know of any good 0.0 corps that are recruiting?
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#31 - 2015-09-04 06:41:01 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
So you are trying to tell me that now the best way to make money in EVE is to go to null-sec shooting rats in anomalies? If so, CCP should think about new game... Ugh



Honestly this situation saddens me greatly. DED sites generated content, and let people actually make decent bank in NPC null or by ninja-plexing them out of sov space. They were something different that made better money and had an element of randomness for people who didn't want to just sit in one system running anoms or missions. Honestly they were a good model of a limited resource that was worth finding and fighting over. In FW if someone that can kill you invades your plex, you can run and go next door and find another one, but DEDs were worth fighting for due to payout and scarcity.

DED 10/10 Serpentis used to be able to pay out about 2 billion, if you got a Vindicator BPC and a nicer X-type. The same drop now may get you about 600m. It's more that the average payout is so low now that the ISK/hr isn't worth it as a single operator.

It was probably never the best way to make money, but at least it had an air of adventure the first few times, especially if you got that big drop. Incursions/WHs/L4s/L5s are still money as well, but real money is going to be doing stuff that grows your wealth by percentages rather than just consistent methodical increments. Just, not many people like the idea of market stuff as a bread and butter income source to a game they expect to be fun.

Honestly, if they just made the loot table for scanable DEDs different than the table for ones that result from an escalation, things would be pretty good. Plenty of deadspace items do not yet exist.

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
Vibiana
Frontier Trading Company
#32 - 2015-09-04 09:52:05 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:
[quote=Altair Taurus] Plenty of deadspace items do not yet exist.


or needed...
Altair Taurus
#33 - 2015-09-04 14:57:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Altair Taurus wrote:
So you are trying to tell me that now the best way to make money in EVE is to go to null-sec shooting rats in anomalies? If so, CCP should think about new game... Ugh



Honestly this situation saddens me greatly. DED sites generated content, and let people actually make decent bank in NPC null or by ninja-plexing them out of sov space. They were something different that made better money and had an element of randomness for people who didn't want to just sit in one system running anoms or missions. Honestly they were a good model of a limited resource that was worth finding and fighting over. In FW if someone that can kill you invades your plex, you can run and go next door and find another one, but DEDs were worth fighting for due to payout and scarcity.


Exactly! I have always thought running DEDs is wonderful activity: exploration with fighting, large amount of fear but also huge potential reward - all in one! Now it seems the best of EVE's PVE content is lost replaced by silly ratting. That's sad...almost 75% income nerf.

BTW, pure exploration (running relic and data sites) in null-sec is also so unprofitable now?
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#34 - 2015-09-04 17:24:01 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
Exactly! I have always thought running DEDs is wonderful activity: exploration with fighting, large amount of fear but also huge potential reward - all in one! Now it seems the best of EVE's PVE content is lost replaced by silly ratting. That's sad...almost 75% income nerf.

BTW, pure exploration (running relic and data sites) in null-sec is also so unprofitable now?


Relic and data sites suffer from much the same issues, but at least demand and volume for TII rigs is more robust than the demand for bling and pirate battleships. The week after Odyssey released, it was absolutely absurd how profitable they were for the time involved, but due to saturation and number of people doing it, prices have quickly become just OK and not really all that fantastic.

An interesting factoid. Gila BPC are 260 in Jita the time of writing this post, but Rattlesnakes are 150. The big ticket, you got lucky drop item, sells for marginally more than the overseers effects.

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