Intergalactic Summit

I wasn't talking about the Mandate. They aren't part of the tribes.

There are no Nefantar in the Mandate. There are only Ammatar. Any Ammatar who identifies as a Nefantar is as foolish as a True Amarr that identifies as Udorian. This is why the Mandate has started to become a productive and devoted part of Amarr: Because those who continued to identify by as Nefantar have left.

The Ammatar, and other Amarrian Minmatar, are not members of the Minmatar tribes. We're not Sebiestor, Brutor, Nefantar, or any other tribe either. We do not identify by those labels, we do not present the marks on our faces. We are not True Amarr, correct, but we are Amarr.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Ammatar_Mandate

Please note member races of the Ammatar Mandate = Minmatar.

This does not detract from my point.

Being ethnically Minmatar does not make someone part of your tribes. An Amarrian Minmatar is exactly that, an Amarr of Minmatar ethnicity. An Ammatar is a citizen of the Mandate.

Nefantar is a tribe, maintained only by those that were too stubborn to integrate into Amarrian culture. A tribe is a nation, a path, a life, one that is entered in adulthood and marked on the face for all to see. Being Minmatar does not make one part of the Tribes.

Yes it does.

Every time we talk I feel like you understand less and less about how Tribes even work Samira.

It was the Ammatar who first heralded themselves as the Nefantar Tribe reborn and not just those who chose to return to the Republic but also those who choose to stay. Deny and try to insist things are black and white and mutually exclusive all you want, it is not changing the truth of who they are.

I am a Kameira but I am also a Brutor. I have undergone no Voluval. You are Sebiestor and have a Voluval but you insist you are nothing but Amarrian.

To what end are you trying to convince people of this? Do you think a name holds that much power?

Why is it you look at a Tribe and insist it is a single accepted culture like some Caldari Megacorp? A Tribe is many many cultures and many many people's.

Even you fall within the Sebiestor Tribe.

Once again, any Ammatar who identifies as Nefantar is as foolish as a True Amarr identifying as Udorian. Why would you label yourself with an insult?



You are not Kameira, because Kameira serve Amarr and God. You are not Brutor, because you have not gone through the trials and been acknowledged as a member of a clan of that tribe with a naming mark.

You cling to these because you feel lost, yet you are neither because you have shown no loyalty to either of their ideals or practices.



I stopped being a member of the Sebiestor Tribe when I removed my mark.

You can't argue that being Matari includes differences of opinion and cultural variety and then pull a 'no true Tribesman' line. It just doesn't work. If there's enough room in the Sebiestor to include Samira, then there's enough room for it to include Mizhara's viewpoint as well.

Oh, and by the way, thank you for your help on this one. I'm glad you feel yourself enough of an authority on our Tribe to dictate to us how it works. Never would've gotten that on our own.

I am Sebiestor of the Svauklat clan. I was born into it, and I will always identify as it.

To be Matari means two things: you call yourself Matari, and other Matari cal you Matari. The trials and the Voluval are merely a formalized way to acknowledge your acceptance. As for the Ammatar, they're a split case. I would never call them Matari, others would. They call themselves "Matari", but it means something different than it ever has before.

I am a Kameira because I was bred to be one, was trained as one and I am one.
I have no idea if my parents were and it would not change my outlook to find out they were farmers, merchants or slaves. Their lives are not important to who I am.You say I betrayed customs and practices and more to the point you say anything was ever easy. Your attack is too far off the mark to work here Samira. I have not betrayed myself and I have not betrayed God.

Now find me a Brutor who will contest me when I name my Tribe. I will prove to them and you just who I am.

You embrace an infidel culture and serve foreign interests. You're an apostate that just refuses to admit it.