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What's with the obsession with highsec'ers!!
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#101 - 2011-12-13 06:53:21 UTC
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:
There's no way I'd join one of those big fuckwit clubs in nullsec.

And I don't see anyone organised enough to disrupt their circle jerking.

Hence I live in highsec/lowsec.

But maybe terrorism could give some satisfaction? Might do some reconaissance. Sneak a few jumps into null and blow their stuff up where they think it's safe.

I dunno man... I hear there's bubbles out there Shocked
pussnheels
Viziam
#102 - 2011-12-13 07:33:38 UTC
The OP exactly points out what is wrong with this game in the last few months , too many so call pvpers and nullsec assholes thinking that their way of playing this game is the only way it should be played and all other players with a different view do not belong in this game and therefore should be griefed till they give up
Worse of all is that CCP is listening to them and don't care what the other 80% of their customers views are

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#103 - 2011-12-13 08:11:04 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
The OP exactly points out what is wrong with this game in the last few months , too many so call pvpers and nullsec assholes thinking that their way of playing this game is the only way it should be played and all other players with a different view do not belong in this game and therefore should be griefed till they give up

Griefing is against the ToS and you should report anybody doing it.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2011-12-13 08:52:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Why are you low/null guys so obsessed with high sec players.

Because we're f*cking dumb. :) We load up our ships with all sorts of expensive goodies.

I was ganked the other day, in my Viator, one shot by a Tornado. I lost 2.7B ISK in cargo.

I'm not complaining though. Fair dinkum. I made myself a tasty target. Sucked to lose that much ISK, for sure. I'm nearly broke now. But I only have myself to blame.

I still love this f*cking game, though!
Eyup Mi'duck
Doomheim
#105 - 2011-12-13 09:34:18 UTC
As a noob in 2003, I liked null. It was accessible, full of opportunities for individuals, small corps and big fleets alike... but crucially it was dangerous for everyone. Now most of null is just a bubbled-up feudal protectorate.

Null needs to be made dangerous and unstable for everyone again. So:

(1) Take away the bubbles that effectively ringfence nullzone.

(2) Take away JB's...

AND OPEN UP THE DAMN PIPES ! Make folks have to use them again... both to get in, and out. Let's get everyone's adrenaline flowing again...

I am me.         I am not you.     I have my own thoughts.     I am very happy with this situation.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2011-12-13 09:37:43 UTC
Eyup Mi'duck wrote:
(1) Take away the bubbles that effectively ringfence nullzone.

Funny. I see tons of entrances to nullsec which aren't bubbled to **** and back.

Eyup Mi'duck wrote:
(2) Take away JB's...

Why? Don't know how to camp JBs?

Eyup Mi'duck wrote:
AND OPEN UP THE DAMN PIPES ! Make folks have to use them again... both to get in, and out. Let's get everyone's adrenaline flowing again...

What do you mean by opening them up? They're closed now?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
FlameGlow
Perkone
Caldari State
#107 - 2011-12-13 09:43:58 UTC
Selinate wrote:
/enjoyingthisthread

Null sec sucks. 1 jump into null sec and it's GATE CAMPS GALORE!!!!.......

Gates are for scrubs, real men use podding express, carriers and wormholes
pussnheels
Viziam
#108 - 2011-12-13 10:20:15 UTC  |  Edited by: pussnheels
Ladie Harlot wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
The OP exactly points out what is wrong with this game in the last few months , too many so call pvpers and nullsec assholes thinking that their way of playing this game is the only way it should be played and all other players with a different view do not belong in this game and therefore should be griefed till they give up

Griefing is against the ToS and you should report anybody doing it.



So is botting , and since you are a member of a alliance that refuses to report bots and has been accused of botting themselves ona large scale , your statement sounds a bit hollow and hypocrite,... don't you think ?

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#109 - 2011-12-13 10:22:36 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
The OP exactly points out what is wrong with this game in the last few months , too many so call pvpers and nullsec assholes thinking that their way of playing this game is the only way it should be played and all other players with a different view do not belong in this game and therefore should be griefed till they give up

Griefing is against the ToS and you should report anybody doing it.



So is botting , and since you are a member of a alliance that refuses to report bots and has been accused of botting themselves ona large scale , your statement sounds a bit hollow and hypocrite,... don't you think ?


Name one big null alliances which has not been accused of massive botting and RMT...

right, there is non.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#110 - 2011-12-13 10:25:51 UTC
I find that high sec players squeal the loudest when they die, in game and on the forums.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2011-12-13 10:27:19 UTC
The thing pussnheels is thinking about is that the policy is to not go about shooting blues which we suspect are botting. That doesn't change the fact that nothing is stopping anyone from reporting them.

One policy implies lots of potential extra work for diplos, and is banned. The other policy implies that CCP take care of policing their own game. I'll let you choose which solution sounds fair.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Taiwanistan
#112 - 2011-12-13 12:30:55 UTC
security in 0.0 is player-made and player enforced and can be lost anytime
in hisec they go crying to ccp for nerfs and want protection built into the game
so screw youse

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Mistress Motion
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#113 - 2011-12-13 13:59:15 UTC
Big part of nullsec dwellers don't know crap about pvp. They just think nullsec is "endgame" like raiding molten core was when they ragequit their wow playground.

Is it really "endgame" to sit in alpha fleets and press f1? And cry about anom nerfs?
Sphit Ker
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#114 - 2011-12-13 14:34:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Sphit Ker
>"What's with the obsession with highsec'ers!!"


MANY high-sec dwelling people gravitates around mining and running missions. This proves to be vain in the long run. Mining is weak ISK revenue and general progression while running missions gets you nowhere tangible. Let me tell you about that lame LP store fancy gear you still have to fork ISK to get.

These people engage in such activities because it seam logical to them. The way the tutorial handles ppl and so on... They can go mining! It's easy and makes money? Let's go that way. Running missions is combat, right? I'll be awesome once I get a shiny fancy battleship full of tech 2 mods, right?

Soon or late, they figure out how boring and pointless this all is and quit the game. It seam to take 7 months, more or less.

They need to wake the **** up. EVE isn't about standing with NPC corps and sure as hell isn't about earning a paltry from mining rocks.

We need to shoot at these people. Then, they'll either wake up and get going proper or quit the game so theres one less lemming to handle later on.

It knows what you think.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2011-12-13 14:55:23 UTC
Mistress Motion wrote:
Big part of nullsec dwellers don't know crap about pvp. They just think nullsec is "endgame" like raiding molten core was when they ragequit their wow playground.

Is it really "endgame" to sit in alpha fleets and press f1?

I don't know about most nullsec dwellers, but my "endgame" is watching people cry as their space burns around them. Sitting in an alpha fleet isn't my only option for this, but it's not the endgame, it is a means to the endgame.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
pussnheels
Viziam
#116 - 2011-12-13 15:17:33 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
The thing pussnheels is thinking about is that the policy is to not go about shooting blues which we suspect are botting. That doesn't change the fact that nothing is stopping anyone from reporting them.

One policy implies lots of potential extra work for diplos, and is banned. The other policy implies that CCP take care of policing their own game. I'll let you choose which solution sounds fair.

Indeed , there was a thread about it a few months back,AKK
I am not saying it is just one alliance , but there have been tons of allegations involving ALL alliances sheltering and or using bots
So many allegations it is hard NOT to believe it isn't true

one way i can understand your point about reporting them or shooting them, but lets say there is a burglar operating in the neigberhood you are living in and one night he gets caught and it turns out to be your friend , do you call the police or do you let him go so he can continue to burgle the whole neigberhood clean

I said this dozen of times before , but in my opinion trying to force people into nullsec will only result in losing subscriptions , aslong the current pvp only mentallity of the large nullsec alliances doesn't change nothing will change

A good step forward could be giving nullsec alliances a reason of why they NEED alot of industrial players and rewarding them for expanding their industrial base

How this can be done , is debatable but i am sure it can be done without nerfing high sec to death and it has to come from both CCP and the alliances

It is not the pvp and risks that scares people away from nullsec it is the current politics , mentallity and sov mechanics that scares them away

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2011-12-13 15:21:12 UTC
Sphit Ker wrote:
>"What's with the obsession with highsec'ers!!"


MANY high-sec dwelling people gravitates around mining and running missions. This proves to be vain in the long run. Mining is weak ISK revenue and general progression while running missions gets you nowhere tangible. Let me tell you about that lame LP store fancy gear you still have to fork ISK to get.

These people engage in such activities because it seam logical to them. The way the tutorial handles ppl and so on... They can go mining! It's easy and makes money? Let's go that way. Running missions is combat, right? I'll be awesome once I get a shiny fancy battleship full of tech 2 mods, right?

Soon or late, they figure out how boring and pointless this all is and quit the game. It seam to take 7 months, more or less.

They need to wake the **** up. EVE isn't about standing with NPC corps and sure as hell isn't about earning a paltry from mining rocks.

We need to shoot at these people. Then, they'll either wake up and get going proper or quit the game so theres one less lemming to handle later on.


while we are at it let introduce the 3rd empire doctrine too... seems its on the way.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#118 - 2011-12-13 17:18:49 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Why are you low/null guys so obsessed with high sec players.

Because we're f*cking dumb. :) We load up our ships with all sorts of expensive goodies.

I was ganked the other day, in my Viator, one shot by a Tornado. I lost 2.7B ISK in cargo.

I'm not complaining though. Fair dinkum. I made myself a tasty target. Sucked to lose that much ISK, for sure. I'm nearly broke now. But I only have myself to blame.

I still love this f*cking game, though!



Imagine if you could take the kill rights and transfer them.....

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
#119 - 2011-12-13 17:55:39 UTC
We just need another big null sec war so the nullsecers have something fun to do out there instead of hassling newbies out of boredom. If the alliances won't do it on their own, CCP needs to think up ways to make them fight. Make SOV cost more to maintain the longer you hold it, or make it more expensive the more of it you control to encourage the big alliances to break up into factions that might fight one another. Introduce rare, and very valuable, resources that appear just in one area of null sec for a while, then move somewhere else so they have a reason to try to take one anothers' space. Make capital ships cheaper, but require maintenance that steadily increases over the life of the ship so they have less of an incentive to keep them out of harms way. I don't know the solution, both those are the lines along which CCP should be thinking- how do we make more null sec wars.

The nullsecers are right that eve needs more pvp, but they are completely wrong about the kind of pvp it needs. We don't need more ridiculously unmatched pvp with experienced players piloting combat ships blowing up inexperienced players in industrial ships, we need more actual pvp where roughly equal opponents clash.
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
#120 - 2011-12-13 18:25:32 UTC
Teamosil wrote:
We just need another big null sec war so the nullsecers have something fun to do out there instead of hassling newbies out of boredom. If the alliances won't do it on their own, CCP needs to think up ways to make them fight. Make SOV cost more to maintain the longer you hold it, or make it more expensive the more of it you control to encourage the big alliances to break up into factions that might fight one another. Introduce rare, and very valuable, resources that appear just in one area of null sec for a while, then move somewhere else so they have a reason to try to take one anothers' space. Make capital ships cheaper, but require maintenance that steadily increases over the life of the ship so they have less of an incentive to keep them out of harms way. I don't know the solution, both those are the lines along which CCP should be thinking- how do we make more null sec wars.

The nullsecers are right that eve needs more pvp, but they are completely wrong about the kind of pvp it needs. We don't need more ridiculously unmatched pvp with experienced players piloting combat ships blowing up inexperienced players in industrial ships, we need more actual pvp where roughly equal opponents clash.


Not sure a new major war would fix things in 0.0 but I agree with some of your proposals of making sov bill prices in direct relation with the number of systems you possess. I would go as far as throwing the size of your blue list in there to. The more blues you have the more expensive it should get. How about also, the more supers and titans you have in your alliance, the more expensive your sov bill becomesBig smile?