EVE New Citizens Q&A

Just my two bits but I like sp. I like knowing while im at work my skills are training, I don't mind the wait as I go do something else. At the moment I training into battleships for some lvl 4 missions, but while im waiting im off exploring and having fun.

I think the fact you actually have to put effort into getting what you want is great, it adds reward. I also like the fact theres no exclusion for speed runs/ specific armour sets/ specific achievements. None of the "zomg no super special orange/purplesets? Nooooob u cnt play wiv us. We leet"

Yes eve is a slow burner but it is set apart because of that and just takes a little more thought is all.

At some level ALL computer games are a grind, when and where have I ever stated otherwise. So let's just clarify your mis-understanding. Going back to the OP they are asking for a grind style of SP gain in fact Aerasia provides this discussion with the most obvious example of what that is when she / he posted this .
"Back when WoW first came out I went completely nolife grinding, and hit level cap in ~3 weeks. Certainly not first, but I was something like top 10 for my class. It was a godawful chore, and I regret doing it."
As I pointed out she / he accomplished in 3 weeks what it took a friend of mine 8 months to do. This style of directly linking SP (or whatever you call it ) to the sheer number of hours played is what myself and many others that like this game are against because it puts those with nothing in their lives but playing video games at a distinct advantage.

If the sandbox aspect of EvE is what makes it "interesting" what other online game offers an EvE like sandbox?
I do not play a lot of other games (back to that life thing and not much time) so please inform us cause I would like to go look into them.


Still not getting the points are we. We players rather like our sandbox BECAUSE of it's differences and that includes it's game play mechanics and it's quirky UI and we do not want it to change to be the same as all the other games out there. And considering the amount of time CCP has spent on tweaks to the UI if they wanted to make it like everyone else's I am sure they could and would have done that. From this we can surmise that for at least the present time CCP is happy with a UI that is not the same as every other game.


And you coming in here as a new player with barely a month in the game and telling us that the game MUST change to meet your expectations no matter what we long term players want is not helping either so I guess we are equal in that.


I have stated it very clearly you just refuse to accept it and that is not my fault. So let's try again.
The training system in EvE is superior to all other games for 1 (one) important reason. ALL PLAYERS ARE CREATED EQUAL when it comes to how fast you can train skills. If you play 1 hour a week or 10 hours a day it does not matter both characters can train skills at the exact same rate provided they are willing to remap and invest in appropriate implants. From your point of view where you have the hysterical belief that you can "catch up" to the vets I can see your point but you are dead wrong, see below.


Provided we both stay in the game that long and CCP does not add or remove any skills it will take you about 27 years to catch up with this character because that was the last estimate I saw on how long it would take to train all skills in the game to level 5.
And that is the hysterical part, new players like you come into this game with the idea that they can "catch up" to vets.
So this is where the understanding of the game, how it works and what the REAL value of a characters SP is comes into play.
If you have a vision of what you want to do and you stay on track with your training you can do many of the same things the vets can and at a competitive level in as little as 2 -3 months. Keep that vision and your training in mind and stay on track with your training and by time you have been in the game about 12 to 18 months the SP gap becomes largely irrelevant and your skill or lack of as a player becomes the limiting factor.

Please to excuse this I seem to be at the 5 quote limit so I will do it this way instead.
A quote from Caladan Panzureborn
"If CCP is more about it's vets and staying true to it's artistic vision then it is making a profit and growing its player base, it will eventually go out of business. Maybe not this year, or five years from now, but at some point. That's not my problem nor my concern though, I'm just interested in finding more ways to enjoy this game until Star Citizen or EVE: Valkyrie comes out."
CCP cares about ALL players no matter how long they have been in the game. But they have shown repeatedly over the years that they are not willing to change to be like all the other games, and they have shown that they are not willing to remove the skills training system that is such an integral part of this game and this despite years of people like you telling them it must change.

committing to training plan is effort in itself. It's all too tempting to find something you might want to train that detracts from your overall goal and this will eventually slow you down and you'll have skillpoints dotted around that aren't a cohesive unit that work in any particular ship.

As for effort, the SP system requires effort to plan. Sure you can go ahead and say "hey i click a few things and there's my skill" however managing that queue is it's own minigame in itself.

Well, if committing to a plan and then not touching anything for extended periods of time are your thing, I think I have the game for you.

I've not read this thread (apologies), but if it hasn't been mentioned, y'all might really appreciate an out of game tool named "EVEMon".

Let's you plan out several skill plan paths. As you get further along you'll appreciate using it to plan ahead for Attribute remapping times to optimize skill plan implementation efficiency. Let's you see what skills enable using what. Very useful.

I understand where you are coming from because I was once there myself but I believe you are missing the point and stuck in the mindset of other MMOs that does not apply here.

The only time that you ever need level 5 anything is to unlock some other skill and even in those cases you are typically talking about T2 stuff that there are plenty of viable T1 alternatives to fly while you train towards it. Also Eve is a very deep game and I believe that you get access to skills at a rate that is roughly equivalent to the rate at which you gain the ability to use them.

So your comments here are coming from the mindset that you need to be level capped and fully decked out in purple's before you can do anything. In eve you can do pretty much anything you want on day one. There is no need to train to level 5. Yes those skills are nice to have and you will eventually want to train many level 5 skills but not having them does not hold you back from anything. The eveiseasy youtube channel has plenty of examples of a vet kicking ass in PvP on a days old alt. Also we've all heard from newbro's who bought higher skill point characters and then came here to whine about how the game is not fair after the amount of fail in their gameplay didn't change even with more skill points.

In Eve you need to learn the game. That lack of knowledge and that learning curve is what is holding newer player back more than anything, but even at that I think you are missing the main point that differentiates Eve from other MMOs and that is that Eve is a true MMO in that it is massive (all however many players are logged into the game are in the same game and can interact with each other, no "realms".) and it is truly multiplayer.

Are there things that you can do solo in Eve? Well yes but the devs have stated repeatedly that they intentionally design the game around encouraging group efforts over solo. So in the sense that this game is designed and intended to be played in groups it is a true mulitplayer game. And in that line of thinking you can jump in fleet with friends and do what ever you want on day one.

It would take something like 22 years to train all skills to level 5 so no one has done it yet since the game has only been around about 11 or so. If Eve were to make a level cap then they would have to introduce mechanics that make it so that you need to get to level cap and then keep extending that level cap and you get into a level and gear progression thing that frankly I don't care for. I think the lack of a level cap and the fact that a brand new player can join me on what ever I am doing and be productive is what makes this game awesome. I love the fact that being "all decked out" in the best in slot gear doesn't matter in this game.

In Eve what matters is who you are as a person and not how many skill points your character has or what kind of gear he/she is wearing. I like that fact a lot and if you don't then there are countless other MMOs out there that suit your tastes. I'm sorry if I sound a little butt hurt but I am so sick of hear from players coming to Eve from all the other MMO's (which they are obviously not happy with or they would not be looking for a new game) and whinning about how Eve is not the same as every other MMO out there. If you like the level cap system so much almost every other MMO out there has it so go play anything else. I personally think that the lack of a level cap system is what makes Eve great.

As far as you being impulsive yes Eve does not favor impulsive people. Eve is designed to reward patients and planning. But again when I say patients I'm not talking about "waiting for skills to train" I'm talking about putting in the time and effort to learn.

As far as "being in the meat of it" you can do that in Eve on day one.

Eve is a PvP game. The missions are supposed to get repetitive. High sec is just there for you to get your feet wet it was never intended for people to live there indefinitely. Yes if you are in a high sec carebear corp you will get wardeced perpetually. The answer to this is getting out of high sec and understanding that the PvE in this game is just there for you to earn isk to PvP.

There is absolutely nothing in this game that you have to wait two or more years to do unless you are talking about being all level 5 for a Titan and there is no reason for you to be all level 5 for any ship. The fact that you think you need to wait for skills to train or that you need to have skills at level 5 shows how you just don't get this game and you are not giving it a shot and you are trying to play Eve as if it were WoW.

Not to mention that Titans are not fun to fly, every Titan pilot in game is an alt. When most PvPers talk about the funnest PvP it all happens in medium and small hulls and you have the skill points to do well in a frigates in two weeks.

There is no need to fly T2 ships your having to train level 5 of the T1 version is not hindering your enjoyment of the game. I have north of 100 million skill points on my main and own multiple marauders and the ship that I fly every day to earn isk is a T1 Battleship. Most of the players that I know that have been playing for years and have very high skill points PvP almost entirely in tech 1: frigs, dessies, and cruisers.

As far as the attributes goes you are supposed to have to make tough decisions and deal with the consequences. That is one of the main things in Eve.

If you are waiting on skills to train then you are playing Eve wrong.

I'm presently training for interceptors, so there are two I can think of straight away, evasive manoeuvring and the frigate hull. Already trained evasive manoeuvring to 5, but as my attributes are heavily set on intelligence I've remained learning defense, core, ecm/eccm type skills and navigation. So when I get around to altering the attributes to mainly perception with the remaining in willpower, I'll start training, turrets, and ship hulls again.


The problem is that the skills change too frequently when you're a new player in terms of the attributes required.