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Suzanne Khale
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#1 - 2015-08-28 12:20:29 UTC
Hello,
I've a limited experience in WH activity. For about 2 months I've been hunting frigates running sites in C1-C3 WH in a rocket equipped SB. It's not a style for everyone I guess, since sometimes you literally spend hours occasionally hitting D-scan, while you do something else on your PC.

So far, I love this activity, despite basically you are attacking civilian ships. Exploring T2 frigates drops very nice equipment (Sisters Probe Launcher, Sisters scanner probes and such) plus what they were able to loot before meeting you. You'd be surprised to realize how many of them are bravely scouting WHs. Based on my experience, on average a Relic signature is looted within 24 hours. I really made lots of ISK, compared to the investment.

There are limits, of course. A SB cannot engage safely an Astero, I did it 3 or 4 times because the pilot was aged like 1-3 months, so I guessed that he couldn't deploy a very good counter attack and I could get 2 of them.

Now, I am trying to figure out if it is possible to use a Huginn or a Rapier to engage Asteroes. I will need to adjust my engage method since I will have decloack penalty on locking time, but I have something in mind yet.

Basically the point is: can a Rapier, with light missile fit (for Astero signature reasons) be a real threat to an Astero with Tech 2 drones? Or You are gonna waste about 200millions ISK and being munched by them?

Better to get a Rapier, with CovOps cloacking dev or a Huginn, no CovOps but invisible to D-Scan? Does it makes sense to hunt in WH with those ships?
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#2 - 2015-08-28 12:45:38 UTC
If you can multi-box, I'd suggest using a SB to quickly point them and a Huginn to kill it. Cloak delay on Rapier means you probably won't be getting anything small unless they're dumb or not paying attention.

I've talked about using Huginns before, and they can be good. Your best bet for the Huginn is arty highs, tracking+ gyros in the lows, ~3 sebos in the mids, and then fill the rest with either paints for bloom, or 1 paint, 1 disrupt, 1 web, and hope that you have enough tracking to blap. Throw some drones in there and even if they get transversal you should be fine.

Main downside of solo Huginn-ing is that if they go to a can away from your BM you're SOL, and moving through WHs can be a bit tricky if there're camps as you can't cloak and get away.

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Aladar Dangerface
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-08-28 12:46:28 UTC
Suzanne Khale wrote:
Hello,
I've a limited experience in WH activity. For about 2 months I've been hunting frigates running sites in C1-C3 WH in a rocket equipped SB. It's not a style for everyone I guess, since sometimes you literally spend hours occasionally hitting D-scan, while you do something else on your PC.

So far, I love this activity, despite basically you are attacking civilian ships. Exploring T2 frigates drops very nice equipment (Sisters Probe Launcher, Sisters scanner probes and such) plus what they were able to loot before meeting you. You'd be surprised to realize how many of them are bravely scouting WHs. Based on my experience, on average a Relic signature is looted within 24 hours. I really made lots of ISK, compared to the investment.

There are limits, of course. A SB cannot engage safely an Astero, I did it 3 or 4 times because the pilot was aged like 1-3 months, so I guessed that he couldn't deploy a very good counter attack and I could get 2 of them.

Now, I am trying to figure out if it is possible to use a Huginn or a Rapier to engage Asteroes. I will need to adjust my engage method since I will have decloack penalty on locking time, but I have something in mind yet.

Basically the point is: can a Rapier, with light missile fit (for Astero signature reasons) be a real threat to an Astero with Tech 2 drones? Or You are gonna waste about 200millions ISK and being munched by them?

Better to get a Rapier, with CovOps cloacking dev or a Huginn, no CovOps but invisible to D-Scan? Does it makes sense to hunt in WH with those ships?

If you are hunting asteros the best thing you can get is another astero, a pure pvp fit one will shred the pve fit ones.

With the huggin/rapier approach I see a couple of problems. First with the rapier, the chance to actually lock the astero will be low since you have the decloak pentalty. With the huggin your problem is the fact that they will see you land and might get away before you get lock as well as being a fairly easy target yourself when jumping through wormholes.

I'd go with a pvp fit astero myself.

I don't need twitter. I'm already following you.
Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
#4 - 2015-08-28 14:09:48 UTC
Well to avoid the decloak penalty on the Rapier you could always scout out the site the Astero is running, bm something close to them (like, say, the can they are hacking) and bounce and decloak while warping back to the bm so you can lock right away once you are on grid.

In a straight fight a Rapier with RLML could def handle an Astero. they might get lucky with ECM drones and escape though. The issue with the Huginn is that if you warp in and you're not in point range you'll lose 'em.
Her Majesty
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2015-08-28 14:52:43 UTC
The lack of cloaky proteus in this thread is disgusting...
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#6 - 2015-08-28 15:58:40 UTC
Her Majesty wrote:
The lack of cloaky proteus in this thread is disgusting...


You better get some backup or that Astero is going to tear that proteus a new one.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-08-28 16:27:30 UTC
just make a rlml rapier and make sure to bump the ****** while your targeting systems come back online

Art of Explosions
Suzanne Khale
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#8 - 2015-08-28 16:58:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Suzanne Khale
Thank you all.

I'll talk a little on my actual way to get the frigates, and how I want to redress the procedure:

- Scan all the WH signatures, BM them.

- BM on Data and Relic sites are saved at least 150Km off the closest can. This will allow you to warp to any can you want, when required.

- Wait for an explorer, D-Scan time. You can patrol 2-3 communicating WHs bookmarked in this way to raise your chances.

- When an explorer is hacking a can, warp to 10Km, approach, decloack, lock, scram. Volleys.

This works fine with SB thanks to no penalty on locking time after decloacking.

When using another ship you need to do as Persephone suggested: bump away, decloack, jump back to 0 Km maybe but this needs to be tested since a Hound got a nice 500 scan resolution, compared to 242 of the Rapier I guess it will take sensibly more time to lock a target.

I can work the method, I just need to know if the Rapier is actually able to sustain a combat with T2 drones fit Astero.

Persephone Alleile wrote:
Well to avoid the decloak penalty on the Rapier you could always scout out the site the Astero is running, bm something close to them (like, say, the can they are hacking) and bounce and decloak while warping back to the bm so you can lock right away once you are on grid.

In a straight fight a Rapier with RLML could def handle an Astero. they might get lucky with ECM drones and escape though. The issue with the Huginn is that if you warp in and you're not in point range you'll lose 'em.
Qith Karrar
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
#9 - 2015-08-28 17:42:11 UTC
If you want to hunt explorers, this is the optimal setup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGZ4EDQvC8w

Imperial Navy EMP smartbombs are the best (other damage types seriously lack range) The faction fit costs ~1 bil, but you're nearly impossible to catch, so you'll probably get your money back at least.


This fit is here:

[Proteus]

Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II

Warp Scrambler II
Medium Capacitor Booster II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Imperial Navy Large EMP Smartbomb
Imperial Navy Large EMP Smartbomb
Imperial Navy Large EMP Smartbomb
Imperial Navy Large EMP Smartbomb
Imperial Navy Large EMP Smartbomb
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

Proteus Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
goodlady Smith
TheCrazy88s
#10 - 2015-08-29 23:16:04 UTC
The proteus:
A) Works
B) is freakishly hilarious (to the point your laughing so hard you fell of your chair and the got counter ganked because you can't get up)

Please like my posts it makes me feel better about the time I spend on the forums WTS... Smiles
GizzyBoy
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#11 - 2015-08-30 01:17:37 UTC  |  Edited by: GizzyBoy
bookmark and save all the data relics prior as a matter of course,

I use a t3 dessie in sniper mode because lock time for frig size things, startios needs something bigger, one guy tried to nuet me out, only to burn all his cap out and die.
Mortlake
Republic Military School
#12 - 2015-08-30 10:16:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Mortlake
Just use another Astero. I've encountered several other 'hunters' pouncing on targets I was waiting for. It can be fun.

Sometimes you hit the bar and sometimes the bar hits you...
Suzanne Khale
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#13 - 2015-08-30 13:58:07 UTC
This is the most efficient solution, but not the one I'll pick.

I really hate Asteroes, they call themselves frigates but they are actually more than a destroyer. Plus I hate drones combat and I love Minmatar lore, so I want to use a Minmatar ship.

The biggest issue is not the intercept, but the locking time.

I can lock a frigate with a SB in 3.5 seconds.

With Sens Boost II and Signal Amp II I can lock a frigate in 4.75 seconds with a Rapier (my Sig Analys skill is at 5). But it's not gonna be cheese because I will have to bump 1-2 UA away, decloack, load script, wait 2 seconds more to be sure the Decloacking penalty is expired, then bump to 0 to the previously saved can. Hoping the ship is still there.

It's not gonna be an easy job and I am sure I will fail a lot but I'm sure I will love it if I could land some good kill.

Mortlake wrote:
Just use another Astero. I've encountered several other 'hunters' pouncing on targets I was waiting for. It can be fun.
Zosius
The Nordic Associates
Fraternity.
#14 - 2015-09-04 17:10:47 UTC
Join a corp;
train cloaky tackle Proteus;
find targets;
call in corp reinforcements;
????;
Profit

Whatever you are flying solo, you will never be able to kill anything bigger than a battlecruiser.

For maximum laughs, I recommend cloaky smartbombing Proteus catching explorer frigates.

http://cloakybastard.blogspot.com