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Of course you don't agree with the strong woman theory because you're a guy, and you're not painfully area of how much this subconscious activity permeates our culture, and it's even more deeply rooted in Europe, and the women are just pawns of the systematic character assasination of women to be the stereotype of the virgin/whore and the evil Eve, who isn't real in anywhere but their ****ed up imaginations.

Of course this statement completely ignores the plethora of powerful and influential women that infuse both the real world as well as works of fiction. If you think that men in general tend to think of women as the virgin/whore stereotype then you should probably take a closer look at your loving husband, and realize he is the norm... not your prejudiced notion of how men think.

You state women should be represented without bias in games, and yet you want women characters (unlike male characters) to be exempt from being killed, or even being painted as the villain and/or victim of the piece. Surely you can see the inherent hypocrisy in that stance.

For women to be treated equally means they can be the hero, the villain, the strong, the helpless, the saint, or the sinner... just as men are. Putting them up on a pedestal where they can't be harmed or they can show no weakness or evil intent is the very definition of treating them differently.

There are extremely deep lore oriented reasons for her assassination, and likely for her being there as well. This also sets the stage for the upcoming event regarding capsuleer fighting for the honor of representing the various contenders for succession.

YOU just don't happen to like those reasons because they don't fit with your preconceived idea of what the story arc would or should be, and while I can sympathize with that your reaction is way over the top.

No, he is not the norm. He is very unusual. I did not think I would ever be able to find such a person. I dont like people in general and only see pervasive and consistent wisdom in the 10,000 things. The fools see the 10,000 things and think they are dumb, but the wise man sees the people and knows they are the dummies.

There are hardly any wise men.

I would never have a problem killing off the Empress if it were part of a well told story. This is not a well told story, it is trash. For real RPers who are able to think like their character the story does not make sense in how it is being told. No time is being taken to properly set up the event. It is all rushed, rushed rushed and then - and this is what really upset me - they seem to be trolling the player base, and give us this spoiler of "she is not coming back" almost as if they were looking forward to this. They were obviously not looking forward to crafting a good story they were looking forward to trolling the player base or trying to hastily coverup previous story mistakes. Two wrongs don't equal a right. Also they killed Aura or erased her with no comment.

The only reason I played this game as a newbie was

1. the Aura tutorial was easy to follow (female was a bonus)
2. The Empress storyline (female in charge of theology empire, theology is my favorite kind of RP)
3. The strong RP community


The PVP is not strong enough or good enough to keep me.

After I read Templar One, (I am about halfway through and just finished the Empress drug orgy scene a week ago) I also like the characters in Serpentis, and Mordu's Legion. (Mordu)

I am absorbed in my work now, thank you for your feedback I value it.

I've moved this to EVE Fiction, as it's far more suited there and on topic than in My EVE.

That said, while you may be angry or disappointed with a turn of events in storyline, please refrain from making attacks on CCP, it's against the forum rules.

Criticism is fine of course, and not something that we shy away from, but please be sure to keep it civil.

While there are legitimate gripes to be had about the speed and organization of the current story there are a few things that I personally take into account in my assessment. Firstly, the storyline for an MMO cannot have the same pace and gradual change that one might expect in other mediums. The situation must change and new plotlines must develop at a rate amenable to players who want to take part. Lorewise, Emperors live for hundreds of years but we can't wait around that long. And there's no reason to think that an Emperor should ever die at the hands of an outside invader if personal safety were as great a concern as it would be IRL. No, the Empress shouldn't have been piloting a ship in Safizon with a known Drifter threat and not without the escort of an entire fleet. But that sort of scenario was all CCP had to work with if they wanted to remove her from the storyline (which should not be viewed as inherently bad or good, IMHO). I guess they could have eliminated her by having some Drifter-backed internal assassination but then that would probably end up being another thing about the Jamyl story that we would never ICly know and people would probably complain that if the Drifters can do that why don't they just overthrow the whole Imperial Government? The point is, I think we have to be cognizant of the restrictions that CCP has on how they can move the story since they work in the medium of MMO.

Secondly, there are huge parts of the story that we don't know that might put this move in a more positive light. We don't know the Drifter motivations in general, we don't know if they were targeting Jamyl, the Other, or the battleship, and we don't even know if Jamyl was even still alive. Even with OOC knowledge it's hard to know if any given thing Jamyl has said or done over the past couple years was her or the Other. For all we know Jamyl was wiped away at some point and her body has been the Other's meat puppet and that's why she/it has mobilized the Empire against the Drifters.

Thirdly, for better or worse, it seems the popular opinion is that the creations of TonyG are not in line with what Eve ought to be (though, and I am prepared to be a martyr for my belief here, I thought it was mostly fine). A whole lot got introduced through that and the powers that be have decided to clear that all away and that sort of cleanup job can either be quick or clean, not both.

I am personally prepared to forgive many things with all that in mind.

And, just a minor note, on the topic of strong female characters, three come to mind that are in the uppermost tier of the NPC food chain. Haatakan Oiritsuu, former CEO of the Kaalakiota Corporation was probably the most powerful woman in the Caldari State until Heth forcibly removed her from power (in all honesty, she and Otro Gariushi were the only serious threats to Heth's power). Even deposed and put under house arrest Heth continuously needed her genius to run the State and it was this dependence that allowed her to subtlety undermine him and his rule.

Karen Midular is the former Head of Government for the Minmattar Republic. She seemed to me a capable politician but her downfall was just as much the result of her trying to impose Gallente-style democracy on a tribal society as it was that same democratic-style failing because the Elders had been undermining it for centuries by diverting critical funds away from rebuilding the Republic so they could build their ill-fated fleet. It was there behind the scenes machinations that caused democracy and the government to fail. Without it maybe Midular would be leading a more prosperous and stable Republic.

Finally, Catiz Tash-Murkon is the wealthiest person in the Amarr Empire (and probably the whole Cluster). I would say that before Jamyl's return she just as powerful or more powerful than Emperor Doriam II and Chamberlain Karsoth. Now, in the present interregnum she's probably the most powerful person in the Empire again. Her character is the least active but this might be in part because her exercise of power is subtle and behind the scenes. In the coming months though I wouldn't be surprised to see her public role become less veiled.

Dear, we do have many reasons to want to kill off the Empress, and destroy the Amarr empire and all it stands for.

I would love to say we had hired or coerced the Drifters to do that for us, but that would be untrue. From my perspective, the Drifters are one of the plagues that is hitting Amarr. Something similar happened to one of the Old-Earth empire, a long time ago, albeit it was just locusts, frogs or lice at the time, I believe.

In any case, it is obvious to us that Amarr is being punished for their ways, which you seem to like and revel in. That also makes you one of our enemies, unless you chose to become an apostate and renounce the Amarr faith to help bring true Justice and Freedom in the Galaxy.

If it was not for the Drifters, our agents would have done it, sooner or later.

I just can not understand why?
Explain the for what?

Drifters.
The tool which was grown.
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Behind such a plot twist, I can not forgive the CCP.
Killing of the best of the character.
For the next patch.

I have to agree Jamyl I was killed because she was a female same goes for Karin Midular

*facepalm*


No one lives forever

I figured that you had something good to say for a bit there but then you started rambling on about 'sexism' and at that point I knew it was going to dwindle into something that I wouldn't want to read. Gosh.

I must admit Jamyl Sarum was a huge influence of my creating my Dust 514 characters several years ago and eventually my EVE characters as well, particularly if you read the Chronicle 'All the Wayward Children' with it's portrayal of a woman who was so powerful that sense of authority or entitlement manifested in a very literal sense that others perceived and utterly feared.

As sorry as I was to see her go, I was more a mind to see her ideally split the bounds of the Other and find some means to control it, I realised that as much as I loved her as a character and really wanted to see her continue doing her Imperial thing she was a character holding mine back.

Also seeing Karin Midular die was kind of sad..... didn't really care so much back in the day but her ideals as a 'peacemaker' relative to the Amarrian bloc were rather interesting.

Still I am gunning for Catiz Tash-Murkon to take the Imperial Throne. I consider my Duster my Main New Eden character and identify him with a Udorian legacy so the richest, arguably most powerful woman, AND topping all of that off with being the first Udorian to take the throne would be brilliant.

Plus the sheer collective force of outrage of the Ardishapurites and Kadorites would universally feel would rather forcibly blow the eyeballs right out of their uptight sockets.