Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Mission are much better at dealing with rising populations due to the fact there is no hard cap on how many can run them.

I agree that raw ISK is a bad way to reward people since it leads directly to inflation and also cannot keep up with inflation. Switching to LP instead brings in new problems though since the LP stores are static and can't change to match markets. Look at all the junk LP items that cost way more to buy off the LP store than they sell for on the market.

Point is that LP would devalue in the same way as isk, whatever the majority of eve decide to do will quickly squash whatever profit drove the first people to it in the first place.

Yes I've seen a chart somewhere a couple years ago about the isk faucets in game and I know it's insanely high already, I agree that we shouldn't probably pump more isk into the system. I admit I might have been wrong in my thinking about nerfing highsec income; I hadn't thought that mineral prices would also fall lowering profitable prices of all things built from them.

My problem with LP rewards is that once enough people are earning a certain LP it becomes virtually worthless, unless you have some high demand items that can soak up that much LP. Someone earlier suggested blue loot like mechanics and this seems like a good idea to me. Not only does this make the fruits of your work stealable (buff to piracy) but due to it being sold to npc buy orders it allows CCP to easily adjust isk/hr numbers with the but order prices. True this is still an isk faucet but perhaps a greater isk sink can be created for industrialists (normally where isk ends up) in the form of licences to mine / produce bought from NPC sell orders.

Edit:
IMO the best way to increase null income is to increase drop rates of faction and officer mods. Sure it would reduce the price but as it does more volume will sell and it will become guaranteed 30-60M for example. Other players could steal it or even if you sell it it doesn't add isk to the economy, it removes some in sales taxes.

In part I agree with you, but at the same time chasing around evasion fit trollceptors and the like is not ideal content. Still it is early days and hopefully in a few iterations things will start to look a bit better.

I've now seen a few posts of yours claiming null sec ratting income is bad., but when I look at the map of your home region: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Deklein#npc24 it looks like a lot of people are ratting in the area. So they are all idiots?

I agree LP stores follow the isk inflation, but do they have better isk pay-outs? I'm not sure what kind of isk/hr missions bring. But you also need to take into account the effort and time needed to buy the goods from the LP store, move and sell them before the isk appears in your wallet.

As for ratting:
* carrier ratting earns about 75mil / hr per character in a good system + escalations which sell for about 150 mil with a drop rate of 5% of the anomalies. You finish an anomaly in around 20 minutes. So the total isk gain is around 82.5 mil isk an hour for one character. This scales up to 3 characters. So in total you can go up to 247,5 mil isk/hr.
* for lower skilled people ishtars and gila's still easely give 40 million an hour (very conservative calculation), and can be run afk if you like. Scaling to 3 characters with ease.
* blitzing escalations can net you 200 mil an hour for 2 characters
* You can do data & relic sites, mining, ... which all give a decent income.

Can anyone compare this to the high sec content? Take into account the traveltime needed, ect ... Give a realistic view of the situation.

Another thing is the variety of the options you have in null sec. A lot of things you do can earn you a good income. Running missions or incursions all the time might get boring very quickly.

One more remark about the situation in Deklein. This is by far the most active null sec region around. The amount of NPC's killed is just scary. Check out today's stats for example http://i.imgur.com/AV5fgQF.png
I would be running off scared also. It's the amount of people ratting in goon space that seems to drive you off, not the income levels.

Look, ratting is bad in that it simply injects new ISK into the economy. However, even though it is bad (globally), until it is fixed not ratting if that is your source of income is dumb.

The thing with a LP is that it is an ISK sink. Spending ISK to get the item you then sell for more ISK means ISK is leaving the economy. That initial payment is the ISK leaving the economy. The ISK you get from somebody buying a module or item is not ISK entering the economy, but ISK simply moving between wallets.