Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If the problem with logistics is that a large enough wing can simply rep the damage done after each weapon volley, why not just increase the repair amount, module duration, capacitor use, and heat generation such that the duration between cycles is long enough for more volleys to land. For example (although the numbers may need tweaking):

Small Remote Shield Booster II
Boost Amount: 48 -> 96
Duration: 2.25 seconds -> 4.5 seconds
Capacitor Use: 30 GJ -> 60 GJ

Medium Remote Shield Booster II
Boost Amount: 192 -> 384
Duration: 4.5 seconds -> 9 seconds
Capacitor Use: 120 GJ -> 240 GJ

Large Remote Shield Booster II
Boost Amount: 384 -> 1536
Duration: 4.5 seconds -> 18 seconds
Capacitor Use: 280 GJ -> 1120 GJ

Capital Remote Shield Booster I
Boost Amount: 1500 -> 12000
Duration: 5 seconds -> 40 seconds
Capacitor Use: 1500 GJ -> 12000 GJ

Why this is good:
1. Having more logistics no longer scales linearly unless you coordinate multiple logistics ships to activate their modules in a pattern.
2. Smaller gangs can get higher reps initially to help them survive longer against larger gangs, which will not see the benefits of the changes necessarily unless they are coordinating.
3. Makes capacitor warfare against logistics somewhat easier to pull off since you have a higher threshold below which they cannot activate their modules. Again, helps smaller gangs (who were going to get capped out completely anyways) against larger gangs.

TLDR Make logistics harder to coordinate between pilots so small groups maintain efficiency but larger groups end up wasting reps.

1. The difference being that, if people do as before and immediately lock the primary and activate reps, even if they are a bit spread out at first, since there will be a larger delay between successive reps, there will be more time for volleys to land e.g. before, using large shield booster, everyone activates their module within the first 4.5 seconds, reps are spread out, but with 18 second cycles, everyone activates reps within the first 4.5 seconds, next 13.5 seconds are repless.
2. Just as before, there is a need to activate logistics before you need it. Armor has more time to respond to being primary due to smaller signature (longer lock times) and having a shield buffer before armor is eaten into. Also, I'm pretty sure armor fits can generally fit a larger buffer, although maybe I am mistaken.
3. Maybe so.

I was actually thinking about the same thing recently. Although I was going to propose something less drastic, like an increase of duration of 50% to start the discussion. Perhaps pair it with a decrease in cap use, rep amount, and duration of local reppers, to widen the gap between local and remote repping (perhaps around 10% to start the discussion).

And change it so that remote shield reppers (NOT LOCAL REPS) land at end of cycle. That way all remote reps have to time it and hope they land on time and not waste repping power by over-repping the target either themselves or overlapping reps with another logi.

Just make them more vulnerable to Ewar (reduce sensor strength, scan res, lock range), increase their sig (it's stupid) and reduce the number of targets lockable to improve the value of target switching.

What happen to your idea if I stagger my reps to make the much larger rep amount land between each of your volley?

I still get the same rep/s so I can still fully rep him. If I could rep his 10k armor between your volley, I can still do it but it's only a little more important to time my repper so they land between your volley by staggering them. Each of my repper now rep for the amount of 4 (taking larges in example) means each logi pilot only has to have 1 repper land between volley while before it needed all 4.

The only thing your idea affect is cap stability because large cap hit like those put more risk on dipping below the max regen treshold which mean we might need to fit a little bit differently.

All the discussions lately on how to nerf logistics misses some of the most fundamental aspects of EvE.

If it can be used to your advantage it will be, has always been this way and it will always be that way. So in the end why bother with all this minor tweaks crap, lets get straight to the real point. Do we nerf it to the point that it becomes worthless or do we remove it from the game completely because anything short of these two options will not significantly alter the situation.

These calls for changes to logistics also fail to acknowledge a fundamental aspect of war at all levels including internet space ships. A fighting force that is properly balanced and equipped for the situation at hand will ALWAYS be victorious over a force that is not properly balanced or properly equipped. There is only one way for that improperly balanced or improperly equipped force to overcome this fundamental principal of war and that is the element of surprise. Sometimes this can be achieved by using some highly unorthodox tactics or by simply having a dedicated strike force that can be called in to attack a specific target, or group of targets. Just one possible example of this although it is not terribly unusual or creative would be a stealth bomber fleet that is held in reserve and brought in at a key moment specifically to try to eliminate some or all of the other sides logistics.

The problem (in my opinion) isnt the rep range, rep amount, cycle duration or cap cost, its that capacitor can be regenerated indefinitely because of space-magic


If a logistics wing had to turn off their reppers to cap up, the opposing force can take advantage of that and cause some explosions. If a pilot wants to perma-run their logistics modules, they'll need to seriously gimp their mobility, buffer and/or resists, which seems an appropriate trade-off.

Gal/Min T2 Logi can already perma run w/ a smallish local tank and 3 or 4 rep modules going. Lets force Cal/Amarr to do he same thing by getting rid of the capacitor bonus. Maybe replace it with a remote ECCM or ReSeBo or other anti-ewar effect in a similar fashion and see how that works.


My two isk!

70k EHP on a cruiser sig is smallish tank?

Another tool for the blob to use while the smaller side so damn crippled by large logi group can't because they already don't have enough dude in their fleet?

Against 150 Ishtars and their 750 Bouncers... yes.

Not to mention, have you ever tried to make a Cap-stable Basilisk or Guardian that runs 5 reppers without incoming cap support? This is the trade-off I'm talking about. More repair for less tank, or more tank for less repair.