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Fuel blocks! (and CCP Soundwaves wildlife safety advice)

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Aareya
Dynamite.
Tactical Narcotics Team
#41 - 2011-12-09 16:17:46 UTC
It gives CCP more time to find bugs in the system. We wouldn't want fuel block go-live to do something like uncheck an alliance's autopay setting.

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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
SLYCE Pirates
#42 - 2011-12-09 16:19:16 UTC
Aareya wrote:
It gives CCP more time to find bugs in the system. We wouldn't want fuel block go-live to do something like uncheck an alliance's autopay setting.

Only way to test it is liveTwisted Everyone knows thatLol

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Iniquita
Perkone
Caldari State
#43 - 2011-12-09 16:21:40 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=406086#post406086

Maybe you could address some of the player suggestions brought up in that thread now. Specifically the ideas around converting existing fuel inside towers to fuel blocks or allowing pos to burn both type sof fuel during a transition period.
MentalM
Shell Alliance
#44 - 2011-12-09 16:22:28 UTC
Two step wrote:
Yeah, I am really not a fan of this, after you guys said 2 weeks after the patch the switch would happen. It is especially bad for folks in w-space, most of whom have been converting their fuel to blocks for the last week.


+1

This delay is going to mean more logistics which is never a good thing! X
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
Quantum Cafe
#45 - 2011-12-09 16:37:44 UTC  |  Edited by: BoBoZoBo
Thank you for the timeline, but once again those who planned ahead get screwed.

I already have 4 weeks worth of fuel blocks produced, but now I need to get and haul more individual components for an implementation almost NINE WEEKS after patch when it was hinted it would be only a couple.

This means, ironically you actually ended up screwing up the time off you tried to prevent.... Im glad I expedited my fuel production...Roll

I really don't understand why so much more time is needed. Plenty of blocks are already on the market and people are already selling researched Fuel Block BPOs.

Get the train rolling already!

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Swearte Widfarend
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2011-12-09 16:39:23 UTC
MentalM wrote:
Two step wrote:
Yeah, I am really not a fan of this, after you guys said 2 weeks after the patch the switch would happen. It is especially bad for folks in w-space, most of whom have been converting their fuel to blocks for the last week.


+1

This delay is going to mean more logistics which is never a good thing! X



I'm really feeling the empathy for the W-space dwellers.

I mean, sure EVE is a sandbox, and two (three?) years ago CCP said they were not going to make it easy to live in wormholes when Apocrypha came out. But since you chose to live in wormholes anyway, and CCP isn't making it easy, you want to whine more? Yeah, you are right. Let's have the switchover on Dec 13th, so what if half (or maybe all) the folks who would need to be available in case of a problem are away on vacation because of the holidays.

You don't care if your POSses all go offline for several weeks, right?

Democracy is only as good as the despot managing the voting booth.

Swearte Widfarend
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2011-12-09 16:43:51 UTC
BoBoZoBo wrote:
Thank you for the timeline, but once again those who planned ahead get screwed.

I already have 4 weeks worth of fuel blocks produced, but now I need to get and haul more individual components for an implementation almost NINE WEEKS after patch when it was hinted it would be only a couple.

This means, ironically you actually ended up screwing up the time off you tried to prevent.... Im glad I expedited my fuel production...Roll

I really don't understand why so much more time is needed. Plenty of blocks are already on the market and people are already selling researched Fuel Block BPOs.

Get the train rolling already!


I think the timing is quite interesting, since you could have purchased your BPOs, and put them into PE research (which takes just over a month to get perfect PE and 3 minute build times) - and you will have those perfect PE BPs ready to produce with just enough lead time to still fuel a lot of towers.

But CCP couldn't have been thinking of the actual industrialists, who pay attention to ME/PE production and cost savings. I'm sure that's not it so it's probably just Soundwave being mean to all of you.

Cry more.

Democracy is only as good as the despot managing the voting booth.

Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2011-12-09 16:45:53 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
Thank you for finally announcing a date and a date that is now known well in advance. Should make the transition smooth.

Assuming of course the actual switchover goes without any hilarious bugs... well, I'll have my fuel blocks and bags of popcorn ready...


Yeah, having it late January means everyone is also back at the office, ready to remedy if needed. The programmers responsible for the change have promised to not make any bugs, so we should be in the clear!


*makes copy of boot.ini
Iniquita
Perkone
Caldari State
#49 - 2011-12-09 16:46:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Iniquita
Swearte Widfarend wrote:
BoBoZoBo wrote:
Thank you for the timeline, but once again those who planned ahead get screwed.

I already have 4 weeks worth of fuel blocks produced, but now I need to get and haul more individual components for an implementation almost NINE WEEKS after patch when it was hinted it would be only a couple.

This means, ironically you actually ended up screwing up the time off you tried to prevent.... Im glad I expedited my fuel production...Roll

I really don't understand why so much more time is needed. Plenty of blocks are already on the market and people are already selling researched Fuel Block BPOs.

Get the train rolling already!


I think the timing is quite interesting, since you could have purchased your BPOs, and put them into PE research (which takes just over a month to get perfect PE and 3 minute build times) - and you will have those perfect PE BPs ready to produce with just enough lead time to still fuel a lot of towers.

But CCP couldn't have been thinking of the actual industrialists, who pay attention to ME/PE production and cost savings. I'm sure that's not it so it's probably just Soundwave being mean to all of you.

Cry more.



It takes less than 7 days to get perfect ME on fuel blocks (ME40), and PE 20. Which is more than sufficient for manufacturing. Now not only do we need to either purchase more fuel to cover the longer interim, which is a fairly substantial investment when you manage 100 towers. All the blocks we've put into towers are effectively reducing the max run time on our pos meaning they need to be fueled more frequently over the next six weeks. This does not simplify things for anyone who runs a significant number of POS.
Sassums
Repo Industries
#50 - 2011-12-09 16:48:50 UTC
-1 for this.

More than a month we have to wait for the fuel blocks to actually go into effect?

Far too much time, I thought the idea was 2 weeks after patch day, fuel blocks will be turned on, and the old fuel turned off.

There were plenty of us waiting for this change so we could go POS hunting for those less fortunate. :)

Not a cool time line at all.
Akrasjel Lanate
Lanate Industries
#51 - 2011-12-09 16:49:10 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
Starbase structures begin consuming fuel blocks exclusively on January 24th. Hopefully this timeline will allow you to build up a sizable stock of blocks, without ruining your Christmas. I’m sure your family will appreciate you not bringing your laptop to the Christmas dinner to start production jobs. Please keep in mind that on the day of the switch, POSs will ONLY consume fuel blocks and all the old items will no longer keep the starbase going.

On a slightly related note, here is a quick piece of wildlife advice that could save you or a loved one: If bitten by a snake, avoid attempting to suck out the poison from the wound, like seen in movies. You’ll remove insignificant quantities of poison, while transferring bacteria to the wound and subjecting yourself to the risk of getting poisoned. Instead, call for help and arrange transport to the nearest hospital emergency room. Like with bears, the safest bet is staying away from poisonous snakes in the first place.

We might be able to sneak a few more changes in, but for now, this is the timeframe for fuel blocks. Enjoy.

Umadbro that like 2 months from expansion. Sad

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#52 - 2011-12-09 16:52:22 UTC
There was a dev post around here s'cuse me my google fu is weak but it did state there was an issue for havning two fuel types for the towers something abut the tower eating both when they where present and that an or argument counldnt fit in there somewhere due to the nature of the tower eating something every hour.

I could be wrong though memory fails me with age and finals this week.

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Zagdul
H A V O C
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#53 - 2011-12-09 17:00:51 UTC
This is horrible.

People who run POS's have been preparing for this. You've screwed over the people who already hate their jobs.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement

BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
Quantum Cafe
#54 - 2011-12-09 17:01:38 UTC  |  Edited by: BoBoZoBo
Swearte Widfarend wrote:
I think the timing is quite interesting, since you could have purchased your BPOs, and put them into PE research (which takes just over a month to get perfect PE and 3 minute build times) - and you will have those perfect PE BPs ready to produce with just enough lead time to still fuel a lot of towers.

But CCP couldn't have been thinking of the actual industrialists, who pay attention to ME/PE production and cost savings. I'm sure that's not it so it's probably just Soundwave being mean to all of you.

Cry more.


Considering how far off you are about how long it takes to research the BPO, ill consider the rest of your backhanded argument just as poorly thought out.

I don't see why it is improper to voice an opinion about a deadline being extended for all the wrong reasons when certain people have taken steps to meet that deadline.

The fact is, the statement about extending the deadline for logistical reasons is backwards - The extension actually causes MORE logistical issues, not fewer. At least for those of us who have POS to fuel. And, lets not forget, this Fuel Block implementation was specifically implemented FOR people with POSs and to make managers of POSs want to kill themselves less... not more.

If you are one of those and could not meet the deadline for some odd reason because you rather Pew Pew with your ePeen, or had trouble understanding basic industrial timelines, thats not my problem. You made that choice.

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Kelrift
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2011-12-09 17:09:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Kelrift
MentalM wrote:
Two step wrote:
Yeah, I am really not a fan of this, after you guys said 2 weeks after the patch the switch would happen. It is especially bad for folks in w-space, most of whom have been converting their fuel to blocks for the last week.


+1

This delay is going to mean more logistics which is never a good thing! X


I agree .. Unfortunately I don't have time or isk to stock 5 months of fuel .. I have to load month buy month .. I left enough fuel in my POS for 2 1/2 weeks (as was stated in previous dev blog with a little spare) and now because ppl whined so much u extended it After you guys released the BPO's on the market .. Would have been nice to get this notice a little sooner as i just burned all my WH fuel into fuel blocks .. now i have to spend every waking hour for the next week praying an exit to empire will show up. so i can get More to cover the full month and a half ...



CCP Soundwave wrote:
Yeah, having it late January means everyone is also back at the office, ready to remedy if needed. The programmers responsible for the change have promised to not make any bugs, so we should be in the clear!


^ makes sense but This notice should have came out when the BPO's were seeded to market .. woulda been easier to take in.
Aidamina Omen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#56 - 2011-12-09 17:26:49 UTC
This is very frustrating.

After spending the last two weeks rushing to convert my POS fuel reserves into blocks I find myself having to buy old POS fuel at inflated rates. And since most POS maintainers have been doing exactly the same market demand for the fuels going to explode. And after January it will plummet.

Good job for screwing the people that listen to you and prepared based on your information out of hundreds of millions of ISK.

And I'm not even talking about the logistical pain. If you guys stuck to your original schedule, and didn't screw up the bpo seeding, the switch over could have easily been done before christmas.

Ok I'm done qq'ing, back to hauling POS fuel....again.
Rico Minali
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2011-12-09 17:29:54 UTC
Thats a real pain in the gripper, we put 10 days of fuel blocks in teh pos's already as you said it woul dbe 2 weeks after patch, now I have to put another month and a half of regular fuel in. This has made me unhappy.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

AssassinationsdoneWrong
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#58 - 2011-12-09 17:35:08 UTC
Look at all the Dev and CCP jokes, messages, responses at the beginning of this thread and then the complete lack of them once they realised they only opened their mouth to change feet!

If you want to cover the "special" people who couldn't work out what fuel blocks are, how to make the change etc and thus make an interim period where BOTH fuel sources are accepted by the POS towers then this would make sense but what you have done is completely wreck the forward thinking of those who are squared away enough to prep for the transfer and, to some extent punished them.

CSM come on and get on this for us.


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What we fall short of in numbers we more than make up for in stupidity

Draciste
Everyone vs Everything
#59 - 2011-12-09 17:35:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Draciste
Zagdul wrote:
This is horrible.
People who run POS's have been preparing for this. You've screwed over the people who already hate their jobs.

+1


I would like to use both types of fuel, right now!
Anne Lou
Monks of War
Siberian Squads
#60 - 2011-12-09 17:37:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Anne Lou
Hello dear Santa!
Sorry for bothering you while you must be really busy preparing a bunch of Christmas presents for all those kids around the world. I really have to do this as the elf responsible for packing and sending presents seems to have totally lost his marbles. I really think you should take away all his candies, or maybe even put him on spike - you decide yourself please, and DON'T be gentle. You see, the point is like that:
When I was 5, instead of a talking doll I got a microscope and a fare inspector's kit. WTF? First of all, how are those related? Yeah, I had a lot of profit selling tickets to the WC, but still?
At 6, I received a Scrabble game. Man, have you tried it yourself?
At 7, it was a clockwork pigeon. Yeah, with a windup in his ass. He flew out of the window and is still flying somewhere.
At 8, it was a cymbalo. Thanks, that was fun, but after 80th "Jingle Bells" in a row my parents got a real bad head, ear, and some other aches, and my grandmother shouting "JERONIMO!!!" sent my cymbalo flying after the clockwork pigeon. Man, I want it back!
9. Come on, do you really think that another microscope and a doctor's set are better than a Barby?
10. A sewing machine? Really? Even a DIY birdhouse would be better.
11. DIY birdhouse. Perfect. I liked the joke, but I'm still missing my cymbalo.
12. Oh, a talking doll! Well, that was fast, thank you. At that pace maybe at 70 I'll get a box of Durex.
13. A magician's set. Man, the only magic that happened was that the kit went after the pigeon and the cymbalo, and as a gesture of consolation I was allowed to spend the night out.
14. I wanted a skateboard. But what I got? Some ****** mackinaw coat! What should I do with it?
15. I wanted Julian to love me not that ***** Cindy. But in a last year's mackinaw coat?
16. A talking Barbie. With a pager. Oh yeah, when I'll start talking to a doll, it'll really need the pager, so that it doesn't get lost.
17. A cell phone charged with a 100 bucks. Given by an aging boyfriend, only to always know in what exactly point in Universe I am at the moment, and to be sure that Universe is not in me.
18. Orange underwear. Looks like it was made back in 1950s. Given keeping in mind almost the same idea as the cell phone. The Universe loses it's sexual power, the boyfriend is happy, I'm in a brown study.
19. Oh, a laptop and the Diablo anthology! Three months in a row I'm wearing the orange underwear, occasionally talking to Barbie, and exterminating the monsters all nights long. Boyfriend is knocked out, Universe is no more.
20. I want IT. But not of raccoon. But I get Diablo II and an advice to relax.
21. I want IT. But not of otter. What do I get? Another patch, a new mouse, and a Playstation. I'm really pissed of, and finally single again. However, together with the patch, and the lack of IT, the long-awaited freedom loses all it's attractiveness.
22. I want IT. And a new boyfriend. Not a jerk. But I get a marriage, two dogs, and a **** shovel. Only the orange underwear and Diablo stop me from suicide.
23. You bearded s**t-face, you've been spoofed! Instead of IT I get 20 pounds and morning sickness. Even the laptop is not able to compensate for that. Seems like it's reproduction time.
24. Oh go to hell, give me some sleep.
25. Wait a minute.

Now listen, you ****** guiser! Shove your ice staff into your hole, strain your brain and keep in mind that I already had my birdhouse and microscope. I don't want any talking dolls, I still sometimes talk to the last one you gave me. An if you, old stinkpot, have any bright ideas to give me something really useful and smart - you'd better make these thoughts go after my pigeon an cymbalo, cause you know air fares are really cheap these days, and it's not all that far to get all the way to your Lapland or where is it that you live. Believe me, having a fake beard torn off your face and stuffed up your hole is not that nice and pleasant.

I want IT. Yes, a fur coat. And only a mink one. No fakes, no excuses, nothing. Otherwise I'm coming after you, do you hear me? I have a really, really good idea how exactly I will massacre you. But, we'll discuss that when the Christmas comes.

PS And don't tell me I didn't warn you. I did.
PPS Now dear CCP. First of all, thank you very much for reading all of this. Now you must have a pretty good understanding of how I feel, knowing that all of those long hours I spent at first flying all the way from my tidy wormhole to some forgotten station in losec after those fuelblock BPO's, researching them for several days, and manufacturing a 3-months worth of fuel into fuel blocks, only to find out it was all pointless and there is 1.5 months more to do it, and moreover, now I must again fly back to the empire to buy fuel for all that time! Who the hell do you think you are? If you said 2 weeks after BPO seeding - now please go and make a patch so that my tower starts eating fuel blocks, and turn off the regular fuel consuming whenever you wish it to happen.
PPPS Santa, please look after them, okay? Or at least bring me all their presents if they won't be nice and do the patch.