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Is it possible for the Empires to come to a truce?

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Praezius Vheruk
Gozantii Industries
#141 - 2015-09-09 11:16:15 UTC
Consid'ren, as pirate, tae a notter pirate; nae. 'De 'mpires're as li'ely tae bae comin' tae mutual end't's ye an't I 're tae claimin' aorse'fs blood bruddas fer 'de sake o'de li'l ma'.

Ye're stirrin' a po' tae see 'de 'ornets buzz, an't watch 'dem growin' angrier.
'De Drifters bae a t'reat, yea.
We's all n'greement wi'da.
Bu' 'till 'dey fin't wot levels o'ceptance fer each otter 'dat spurs each o'us tae live fi'ty systems 'part, 'dey ain't gon' ban't tae getter.

Ye're betteren off tae bae ast'in a La' tae lift'er blouse fer ye, mate.

Leas'ways 'den ye migh'en gae n'answer wot's wort' readin'.

Sinc'rely,

Praezius Vheruk

To discern faith from falsehood, first one must secure themselves to a lover. Raise the stakes from nightly, to permanent, and faith shall be found at the threshold of one's soul. ( Cup Size < Compassion's Depth, Love = Faith )

Nameira Vanis-Tor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#142 - 2015-09-09 11:24:10 UTC
Praezius Vheruk wrote:
Consid'ren, as pirate, tae a notter pirate; nae. 'De 'mpires're as li'ely tae bae comin' tae mutual end't's ye an't I 're tae claimin' aorse'fs blood bruddas fer 'de sake o'de li'l ma'.

Ye're stirrin' a po' tae see 'de 'ornets buzz, an't watch 'dem growin' angrier.
'De Drifters bae a t'reat, yea.
We's all n'greement wi'da.
Bu' 'till 'dey fin't wot levels o'ceptance fer each otter 'dat spurs each o'us tae live fi'ty systems 'part, 'dey ain't gon' ban't tae getter.

Ye're betteren off tae bae ast'in a La' tae lift'er blouse fer ye, mate.

Leas'ways 'den ye migh'en gae n'answer wot's wort' readin'.

Sinc'rely,

Praezius Vheruk


Please tell you are an FC. Those coms must be brilliant!

Praezius "Al'n te de ou gate, worp I tree, tu, on. Ump e conact!"

Fleet member 1 "Did he say jump?"

Fleet member 2 "You got as far as jump?!?"
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2015-09-09 11:27:48 UTC
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:
Praezius Vheruk wrote:
Consid'ren, as pirate, tae a notter pirate; nae. 'De 'mpires're as li'ely tae bae comin' tae mutual end't's ye an't I 're tae claimin' aorse'fs blood bruddas fer 'de sake o'de li'l ma'.

Ye're stirrin' a po' tae see 'de 'ornets buzz, an't watch 'dem growin' angrier.
'De Drifters bae a t'reat, yea.
We's all n'greement wi'da.
Bu' 'till 'dey fin't wot levels o'ceptance fer each otter 'dat spurs each o'us tae live fi'ty systems 'part, 'dey ain't gon' ban't tae getter.

Ye're betteren off tae bae ast'in a La' tae lift'er blouse fer ye, mate.

Leas'ways 'den ye migh'en gae n'answer wot's wort' readin'.

Sinc'rely,

Praezius Vheruk


Please tell you are an FC. Those coms must be brilliant!

Praezius "Al'n te de ou gate, worp I tree, tu, on. Ump e conact!"

Fleet member 1 "Did he say jump?"

Fleet member 2 "You got as far as jump?!?"


Fleet member 3: My auto-transalator says he wants a frog for his birthday?...
Praezius Vheruk
Gozantii Industries
#144 - 2015-09-09 11:29:48 UTC
Ayuh; 'da'sa bae....

"Tae dae ga'e; o't'ree, tae, one.... naow!"

'Das nae ba't, bu' ye're nae usin' yer gutt'rals. Nes' ti'e, ac' li'e yer chokin' o'laughin' an't chicken, an't ye'll bae startin' daon 'de righ' roa't.

To discern faith from falsehood, first one must secure themselves to a lover. Raise the stakes from nightly, to permanent, and faith shall be found at the threshold of one's soul. ( Cup Size < Compassion's Depth, Love = Faith )

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#145 - 2015-09-09 11:36:26 UTC
Praezius Vheruk wrote:
Ayuh; 'da'sa bae....

"Tae dae ga'e; o't'ree, tae, one.... naow!"

'Das nae ba't, bu' ye're nae usin' yer gutt'rals. Nes' ti'e, ac' li'e yer chokin' o'laughin' an't chicken, an't ye'll bae startin' daon 'de righ' roa't.


I got chokin' and chicken....I am flat out *not* putting that sentence through my translator...
Praezius Vheruk
Gozantii Industries
#146 - 2015-09-09 11:38:59 UTC
Bu' 'dem folk wots flyin' wi'me; 'dey's swifter o'de uptake'n ye folk. 'Dey been rollin' wi'me fer long'n 'nough a ti'e tae'ave ma'e sense o'me dialect.

Ye wantin' a notter perfect GQ? Gae loo' 'n a mirror. Nae tae me.
I's nae 'da gentle.

Peace tae ye.

Praez

To discern faith from falsehood, first one must secure themselves to a lover. Raise the stakes from nightly, to permanent, and faith shall be found at the threshold of one's soul. ( Cup Size < Compassion's Depth, Love = Faith )

Markus Error
Manfios
#147 - 2015-09-09 13:06:16 UTC
Translation for ye lads 'n' lasses who are accent-impaired;

"But them folk who're flying with me; they're swifter on the uptake than you folk. They've been rolling with me long enough to have made sense of my dialect.

You're wanting another perfect GQ? Go look in the mirror, not to me.
I'm not that gentle.

Peace to you."

Hm. Like listening to grandad after a few drinks.

"If it cannot be shot the #### down, it can always be blown the #### up."

-Unknown

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#148 - 2015-09-09 16:21:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Corraidhin Farsaidh
Markus Error wrote:
Translation for ye lads 'n' lasses who are accent-impaired;

"But them folk who're flying with me; they're swifter on the uptake than you folk. They've been rolling with me long enough to have made sense of my dialect.

You're wanting another perfect GQ? Go look in the mirror, not to me.
I'm not that gentle.

Peace to you."

Hm. Like listening to grandad after a few drinks.


Drinking makes you hear people in an odd dialect? That's novel...
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#149 - 2015-09-09 16:26:17 UTC
Hooray for standardised language - although, you know, Forge region dialects and all...

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Rook Moray
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#150 - 2015-09-09 16:56:41 UTC
Wah gwan

Can mi bring fi mi drake?

Mi am ah shoota!

“When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.” -Guristas Proverb.

Praezius Vheruk
Gozantii Industries
#151 - 2015-09-09 17:04:33 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Markus Error wrote:
Translation for ye lads 'n' lasses who are accent-impaired;

"But them folk who're flying with me; they're swifter on the uptake than you folk. They've been rolling with me long enough to have made sense of my dialect.

You're wanting another perfect GQ? Go look in the mirror, not to me.
I'm not that gentle.

Peace to you."

Hm. Like listening to grandad after a few drinks.


Drinking makes you here people in an odd dialect? That's novel...


'Oly Sheet 'dat 's novel....

~cracks up laughing~

To discern faith from falsehood, first one must secure themselves to a lover. Raise the stakes from nightly, to permanent, and faith shall be found at the threshold of one's soul. ( Cup Size < Compassion's Depth, Love = Faith )

Ferrucio Surge
The Bag Cartel
#152 - 2015-09-13 04:40:28 UTC
The benefits of helping Amarr: #1 Their gratitude, #2 Mutually assured survival of the Drifter invasion. Amarr can add incentives, of course, but having the gratitude of an entire nation is not a benefit to be overlooked.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#153 - 2015-09-13 11:10:49 UTC
NAPANII, MOTHER*censored*, DO YOU SPEAK IT?!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Svetlana Laknaya
Khushakor Clan
#154 - 2015-09-13 12:29:57 UTC
Ferrucio Surge wrote:
The benefits of helping Amarr: #1 Their gratitude, #2 Mutually assured survival of the Drifter invasion. Amarr can add incentives, of course, but having the gratitude of an entire nation is not a benefit to be overlooked.

I consider myself a pragmatic woman but, I having trouble seeing what the Empire's Gratitude will to for the Republic. The reality is they have an economic model that antagonizes the republic. Gratitude is unlikely to accomplish the requisite change in ecnomic model, so what would it accomplish? I am not being sarcastic, I am actually interested in where said gratitude could lead us.
Ferrucio Surge
The Bag Cartel
#155 - 2015-09-13 13:28:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Ferrucio Surge
Svetlana Laknaya wrote:
Ferrucio Surge wrote:
The benefits of helping Amarr: #1 Their gratitude, #2 Mutually assured survival of the Drifter invasion. Amarr can add incentives, of course, but having the gratitude of an entire nation is not a benefit to be overlooked.


I consider myself a pragmatic woman but, I having trouble seeing what the Empire's Gratitude will to for the Republic. The reality is they have an economic model that antagonizes the republic. Gratitude is unlikely to accomplish the requisite change in ecnomic model, so what would it accomplish? I am not being sarcastic, I am actually interested in where said gratitude could lead us.


Well I personally think that if you do someone a favour, they may be inclined to do one for you. Even if you are mortal enemies.

There are Amarrians who sympathize with the way their slaves(who are not all Minmatar, I don't think, though the majority is Minmatar) are treated, and there are Amarrians who disagree with the slavery model.


Those who represent and support the Republic on the diplomatic side of the table know that Amarr as a whole cannot be forced to change their slave-driving ways, however much fighting is done to free slaves. Nevertheless, with a situation like the Drifter invasion, where the very livelihood of the Empire(and quite possibly all of New Eden) could be put into question, I don't think it's unreasonable to think that the Amarr may be willing to negotiate on some level if we help and support them in their time of dire need.



There is an old tale passed down from my family in which two men were on opposing sides of a great feud between cultures. They, at some point, found themselves locked in a fight near the top of a large mountain. The fighting was fierce, and near the end of it one of them lost his footing, stumbled and nearly fell off of a cliff, clinging for life. In that moment, the other man had to make a decision: to step on his enemy's hand and assure victory, letting him fall onto the rocks below, or help him up and risk defeat. He chose to reach for his enemy's hand and pull him up.

He and his enemy left the mountain alive. And while they still didn't like each other, they chose to fight another day. The feud didn't end there, but down the line it was a moment, a bargaining chip, used to break the cycle of hatred and slaughter at an individual level, and turn people on both sides away from the madness.



Helping Amarr may not immediately solve the issue of slavery or discontent between our people. I'm not expecting a truce.

But it may help open the door a bit wider for future discussion, future dealings. Never let a good crisis go to waste. And we can show Amarr that our brothers and sisters can be dignified, heroic, merciful and virtuous, even if it's easier to let them die at the hands of these dreadful things.
Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#156 - 2015-09-13 14:13:19 UTC
Ferrucio Surge wrote:
There is an old tale passed down from my family in which two men were on opposing sides of a great feud between cultures. They, at some point, found themselves locked in a fight near the top of a large mountain. The fighting was fierce, and near the end of it one of them lost his footing, stumbled and nearly fell off of a cliff, clinging for life. In that moment, the other man had to make a decision: to step on his enemy's hand and assure victory, letting him fall onto the rocks below, or help him up and risk defeat. He chose to reach for his enemy's hand and pull him up.

He and his enemy left the mountain alive. And while they still didn't like each other, they chose to fight another day. The feud didn't end there, but down the line it was a moment, a bargaining chip, used to break the cycle of hatred and slaughter at an individual level, and turn people on both sides away from the madness.


That morality tale is common, but in different versions.

In the Amarr story, the first man considered himself the victor, pulled his enemy up from the precipice and then enslaved him, making sure he was whipped several times a day in order to remember his servitude and accept that it was really God who saved him.

In the Minmatar version, the first man stamped repeatedly on the fingers his enemy clinging on, till he fell to his death. He kept stamping and stamping anyway, still stamping tirelessly on the bloody smudge that was all that remained, a week later.

These are peoples who are the very definition of implacable enemies.

Any alliance to defeat the Drifters will be formed between the Federation and the Empire, and for eminently practical reasons that benefit both sides, as befits the two cluster superpowers. Gratitude will have no part of it. The Caldari megacorporations will join or not as they consider their own interests.

The Tribal Oligarchy will hate everyone from the sidelines as usual whilst scheming to stab Amarr in the back the moment an opportunity arises.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#157 - 2015-09-13 15:04:18 UTC
Svetlana Laknaya wrote:
Ferrucio Surge wrote:
The benefits of helping Amarr: #1 Their gratitude, #2 Mutually assured survival of the Drifter invasion. Amarr can add incentives, of course, but having the gratitude of an entire nation is not a benefit to be overlooked.

I consider myself a pragmatic woman but, I having trouble seeing what the Empire's Gratitude will to for the Republic. The reality is they have an economic model that antagonizes the republic. Gratitude is unlikely to accomplish the requisite change in ecnomic model, so what would it accomplish? I am not being sarcastic, I am actually interested in where said gratitude could lead us.

Empire's gratitude is not wiping yet Republic from existence completely. And that's what these minmatar swines, who were celebrating death of Her Majesty - the person who released more slave than anyone else, should learn.
The Amarr empire is truly gratuitous. Even after such lack of gratitude and humanity by minmatars they still let the Republic live.
Truly iron will.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#158 - 2015-09-13 15:18:05 UTC
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
Ferrucio Surge wrote:
There is an old tale passed down from my family in which two men were on opposing sides of a great feud between cultures. They, at some point, found themselves locked in a fight near the top of a large mountain. The fighting was fierce, and near the end of it one of them lost his footing, stumbled and nearly fell off of a cliff, clinging for life. In that moment, the other man had to make a decision: to step on his enemy's hand and assure victory, letting him fall onto the rocks below, or help him up and risk defeat. He chose to reach for his enemy's hand and pull him up.

He and his enemy left the mountain alive. And while they still didn't like each other, they chose to fight another day. The feud didn't end there, but down the line it was a moment, a bargaining chip, used to break the cycle of hatred and slaughter at an individual level, and turn people on both sides away from the madness.


That morality tale is common, but in different versions.

In the Amarr story, the first man considered himself the victor, pulled his enemy up from the precipice and then enslaved him, making sure he was whipped several times a day in order to remember his servitude and accept that it was really God who saved him.

In the Minmatar version, the first man stamped repeatedly on the fingers his enemy clinging on, till he fell to his death. He kept stamping and stamping anyway, still stamping tirelessly on the bloody smudge that was all that remained, a week later.

These are peoples who are the very definition of implacable enemies.

Any alliance to defeat the Drifters will be formed between the Federation and the Empire, and for eminently practical reasons that benefit both sides, as befits the two cluster superpowers. Gratitude will have no part of it. The Caldari megacorporations will join or not as they consider their own interests.

The Tribal Oligarchy will hate everyone from the sidelines as usual whilst scheming to stab Amarr in the back the moment an opportunity arises.

Oh, no no.
This is impossible scenario. Well, provided the Amarr Empire is smart enough to learn on our mistakes, should Federation actually offer their hand.

The Gallente Federation is known for their bigotry and intolerance towards slavery, as also their brainwashing in ideals of "freedoms" (the words gallente use for chaos) and "democracy", and even hedonism and individualism. They accept these ideals with closed eyes and mind, without understanding and analyzing them, like axioms. And what is worse, they consider them "good" ideals and enforce them onto others.

Shortly, it can be summarized that both Republic and Federation are unhappy with Amarr internal affairs, that shouldn't bother anyone except Amarr. But this is the way of things: both Republic and Federation are both ideological and military agressors, while Empire and the State just defend their ways to live, their property and population from foreign agressors.

And if minmatars in their bigotry against slavery are primitively and stupidly agressive, Federation's way is not as straighforward: they are cunning, lying, betraying and coward. If minmatar crazy terrorist would jump on your chest with yell: "DIE, SLAVER SCUM" and will start stabbing repeatedly in primal mindless rage, gallentean would offer you hand with smile on his face. But when you will take gallenean hand, he will pull you closer and stab you with knife to your back. That's the way the nation of Noir Alexanders operate.

We have stepped on these "gallente" relations several times and got burnt by their treachery. Amarr Empire politicians aren't idiots to just ignore our mistakes to accept gallentean offers of "peace".
And this is why the offered scenario is impossible.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#159 - 2015-09-13 15:31:34 UTC
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:


That morality tale is common, but in different versions.

In the Amarr story, the first man considered himself the victor, pulled his enemy up from the precipice and then enslaved him, making sure he was whipped several times a day in order to remember his servitude and accept that it was really God who saved him.

In the Minmatar version, the first man stamped repeatedly on the fingers his enemy clinging on, till he fell to his death. He kept stamping and stamping anyway, still stamping tirelessly on the bloody smudge that was all that remained, a week later.

These are peoples who are the very definition of implacable enemies.

Any alliance to defeat the Drifters will be formed between the Federation and the Empire, and for eminently practical reasons that benefit both sides, as befits the two cluster superpowers. Gratitude will have no part of it. The Caldari megacorporations will join or not as they consider their own interests.

The Tribal Oligarchy will hate everyone from the sidelines as usual whilst scheming to stab Amarr in the back the moment an opportunity arises.



Oh please.

It would be more accurate to say that in the Amarr version, the opponent was helped up, enslaved and Holder and servant together found God.

In the Khanid version, the opponent was helped up, the fight resumed and the Khanid flung the lifeless corpse of his opponent from the cliff.

One could say that in the Caldari version, the Caldari simply walked away, leaving his opponent to fend for himself.

One could also suggest that in the Gallente version, the opponent was helped up and the pair made tender love by the cliff side while they discussed how to best find the middle ground.

You are correct, I think in the Minmatar version, except the Minmatar kept stamping until the cliff side broke away and he too, plunged to his demise.


The Empire, Kingdom and State will remain allies. The State knows full well what we're facing and which power will bring ultimate victory. The Federation will fight hard, and may join with us to prevent their extinction. But the Republic will run, scatter and dissolve. Some Matari will find their way to us and we will fight gladly alongside them. But others will choose death at the hands of the Drifters. I look at this as a simple process of evolution. The Empire has not lasted as long as it has through blind luck. We adapt, we build, we overcome. People are quick to claim that the Empire lost to the Jove, lost to the forces that became the Republic. But where are the Jove now? How much of a threat is the Republic now? This will not be easy. God has set us a difficult task. But ultimately the Empire will prevail.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Ferrucio Surge
The Bag Cartel
#160 - 2015-09-13 20:13:32 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:



The Empire, Kingdom and State will remain allies. The State knows full well what we're facing and which power will bring ultimate victory. The Federation will fight hard, and may join with us to prevent their extinction. But the Republic will run, scatter and dissolve. Some Matari will find their way to us and we will fight gladly alongside them. But others will choose death at the hands of the Drifters.


Sure, fight and we may die. Run... and we'll live, for at least a while. But I, personally, cannot in good conscience allow the deaths of billions without a fight, and I would rather die a warrior's death side by side with like-minded people.

As long as Amarr is willing to accept help in these dark times, I will be there, and I hope to see some of you there as well. Perhaps, at the end of the day, we can find at least a few things in common.