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Is it possible for the Empires to come to a truce?

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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#121 - 2015-09-06 14:55:52 UTC
Rook Moray wrote:
Let it die.

Let the governments die.

We're evolving past the need for large government systems.


Even if you think of us as somehow separate, Mr. Moray, we are children of technology, and dependent on logistical networks we barely even see.

A dark age would not be kind to us.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#122 - 2015-09-06 15:59:08 UTC
Rook Moray wrote:
We're evolving past the need for large government systems.


Sentiments like this never cease to amaze me. We literally reached a point early last year where millions of people died in a single system, in a single day, because someone forgot to pay CONCORD for the privilege of having their name on a ledger next to a system CONCORD will never set foot in.

And you call this 'evolving'?
Rook Moray
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2015-09-07 00:09:43 UTC
Take a look out in Venal, in Curse, anywhere in Null.

All people make societies. But out in Null, it's an organic process. Look at how quick things got set up in Thera.

Social evolution.

Systems made by the people, for the people. Not based solely on might or money. Not based on race or lineage.

“When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.” -Guristas Proverb.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#124 - 2015-09-07 00:29:54 UTC
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:
This thread is into structure...will reps land in time?

Real threads hull tank

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#125 - 2015-09-07 00:31:38 UTC
Rook Moray wrote:
Take a look out in Venal, in Curse, anywhere in Null.

All people make societies. But out in Null, it's an organic process. Look at how quick things got set up in Thera.

Social evolution.

Systems made by the people, for the people. Not based solely on might or money. Not based on race or lineage.


Still haven't been there, I hear Thera is lovely this time of year. I really should make a point to go....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#126 - 2015-09-07 03:54:12 UTC
Rook Moray wrote:
Take a look out in Venal, in Curse, anywhere in Null.

All people make societies. But out in Null, it's an organic process. Look at how quick things got set up in Thera.

Social evolution.

Systems made by the people, for the people. Not based solely on might or money. Not based on race or lineage.


Please, please tell me this was directed at least in part to me.
Tell me how much I should look at Null, and revise my opinions.
Tell me how little I understand of society there.

Then take a moment and consider who the frell you're talking to.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#127 - 2015-09-07 10:55:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Leopold Caine
Truce?

The Big Four haven't made one when Kuvakei attacked; I don't think much has changed in the last 5 years, politics wise at least. The Four are none the wiser or stronger and CONCORD is still a farce, as it's always been.

Rook Moray wrote:

Systems made by the people, for the people. Not based solely on might or money. Not based on race or lineage.



To survive in a harsh context, one has to make appropriate social constructs.

It does have a certain beauty to it, but it's simple survival, really.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#128 - 2015-09-07 11:37:35 UTC
Farce indeed, Mr. Caine.
After YC110 tribal attack on Yulai they still allow republic to stay there.

Don't they have pride?!
Disgusting.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#129 - 2015-09-07 11:56:36 UTC
Rook Moray wrote:
Take a look out in Venal, in Curse, anywhere in Null.

All people make societies. But out in Null, it's an organic process. Look at how quick things got set up in Thera.

Social evolution.

Systems made by the people, for the people. Not based solely on might or money. Not based on race or lineage.


Nullsec governments are the definition of being set up solely on the basis of might and money. They are dog-eat-dog societies, survival of the fittest. The evolution of civilization isn't important, the development of culture and science isn't important.

Societies growing according to "organic processes" dwell in egotism and hedonism. They provide no benefit to the spiritual and cultural development of humanity.
Rook Moray
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#130 - 2015-09-07 14:24:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Rook Moray
Arrendis wrote:
Rook Moray wrote:
Take a look out in Venal, in Curse, anywhere in Null.

All people make societies. But out in Null, it's an organic process. Look at how quick things got set up in Thera.

Social evolution.

Systems made by the people, for the people. Not based solely on might or money. Not based on race or lineage.


Please, please tell me this was directed at least in part to me.
Tell me how much I should look at Null, and revise my opinions.
Tell me how little I understand of society there.

Then take a moment and consider who the frell you're talking to.



Of course it was directed, in part, to you.

Like anyone, your perceptions are based on your experience.

I don't say anyone needs to revise their opinions based on words. I suggest there's more than one path to understanding.

We're teachers as much as students.

I wouldn't suggest you take a fresh look at Null if I wasn't willing to see it through your eyes as well.

“When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.” -Guristas Proverb.

Rook Moray
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#131 - 2015-09-07 14:29:01 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:


Nullsec governments are the definition of being set up solely on the basis of might and money. They are dog-eat-dog societies, survival of the fittest. The evolution of civilization isn't important, the development of culture and science isn't important.

Societies growing according to "organic processes" dwell in egotism and hedonism. They provide no benefit to the spiritual and cultural development of humanity.



Perhaps...

But the same can be said equally about the systems of "government" that are already in place.

I propose a change.

“When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.” -Guristas Proverb.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#132 - 2015-09-07 17:21:18 UTC
Rook Moray wrote:
Like anyone, your perceptions are based on your experience.

I don't say anyone needs to revise their opinions based on words. I suggest there's more than one path to understanding.

We're teachers as much as students.

I wouldn't suggest you take a fresh look at Null if I wasn't willing to see it through your eyes as well.


Indeed, they are. And I find it hilarious that you're going to try to teach me about our societies in Null. No, we're not only built on 'might or money', but there is no way around the simple fact that might and money, tightly intertwined, form a large part of not only the foundations of modern nullsec societies, but also form much of their structure as well. The pursuit of it, the accumulation of it, the completely discretionary wielding of it...

Power, be it economic, political, or military - and in the end, the distinctions between them are highly blurred - is at the very heart of who we are.

And I think if you speak with Ayallah, you'll find much the same attitude among the Therabois: We do what we want, because we can. And that, sir, is all about the power. That said...

Samira Kernher wrote:

They are dog-eat-dog societies, survival of the fittest.


You're wrong on this one, Lieutenant. Our societies are in competition with one another, and perhaps some of the less successful ones out here have been truly dog-eat-dog, survival of the fittest, as you say... but the successful ones? No. The successful ones emphasize watching out for one another, putting the needs of the group above your personal impulses - because through the group, you are empowered to act on your impulses, but cut off from us, the individual becomes largely ineffective.

We are brutal and savage externally... internally... we're more like an extended family that plays a bit rough, sometimes, but watches out for one another.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#133 - 2015-09-07 18:00:19 UTC
That's still dog-eat-dog. It's just on the level of packs and tribes. Gang warfare.
Constantin Makanen
#134 - 2015-09-07 18:31:22 UTC
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:
If the Amarr Empire wishes to survive the price for Tribal intervention should be as follows:

......

This is just a draft but tell me, does that sound reasonable for the aid of those The Empire has been trying to persecute and ahnilalate for centuries?



Somebody badly missed the point of the proposal.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#135 - 2015-09-08 00:23:30 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
That's still dog-eat-dog. It's just on the level of packs and tribes. Gang warfare.


Which is different from the four Empires how? Internal cooperation, external enemies.

We simply call our Caldari State 'Tactical Narcotics Team'...
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#136 - 2015-09-08 00:31:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Rook Moray wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:


Nullsec governments are the definition of being set up solely on the basis of might and money. They are dog-eat-dog societies, survival of the fittest. The evolution of civilization isn't important, the development of culture and science isn't important.

Societies growing according to "organic processes" dwell in egotism and hedonism. They provide no benefit to the spiritual and cultural development of humanity.



Perhaps...

But the same can be said equally about the systems of "government" that are already in place.

I propose a change.


Now all you need to do is to get tens of trillions of people to sign up to your little experiment and to give it life for a couple of centuries. Bonne chance, mon ami!

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Rook Moray
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#137 - 2015-09-08 16:47:13 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:


Now all you need to do is to get tens of trillions of people to sign up to your little experiment and to give it life for a couple of centuries. Bonne chance, mon ami!



Merci!

There's already lots of people in Null. They just got to get to making babies, it's only a matter of time.

“When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.” -Guristas Proverb.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#138 - 2015-09-08 17:00:29 UTC
Unless you get in the way of the Swarm and they glass your worlds. Or something else happens - like the political landscape changes and all the capsuleer support dries up and blows away and the investment stops.

Well. We shall see in good time. 200 years isn't even all that long for one of us, perhaps we'll be there to see it happen?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#139 - 2015-09-08 19:15:37 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Unless you get in the way of the Swarm and they glass your worlds.


We do not make war upon civilian planetary populations. We leave that sort of genocide to the 'civilized'.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
#140 - 2015-09-09 08:40:15 UTC  |  Edited by: iyammarrok
in answer to the OP.
Is it possible? Yes. historical evidence shows that it is in fact possible.
Is it likely? No. The age of the capsuleer has sown a lot of strife amongst the stars, and it has only just begun. (not only that, but we make a handy meatshield and axe combination, able to bear the brunt of many assaults and also be the weapon of our empires, what need have they of uniting, when a tiny number of us can do the work of entire navies?)

political logic is rarely logical.

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