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Is it possible for the Empires to come to a truce?
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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#81 - 2015-08-27 18:23:17 UTC
:) You're not cold. You're clear.
Avio Yaken
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#82 - 2015-08-27 18:31:05 UTC
Are we actually starting to get along now? Good lets keep that up, making progress

(.___________________________________________.)/
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#83 - 2015-08-27 18:32:48 UTC
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
I'm not aware of a mutual defence clause in the CONCORD treaties. Considering we spend a lot of time beating each other to pulp under CONCORD's Emergency Militia War Powers Act, I'd be surprised if there was such a clause. CONCORD is more about policing the activities of independent capsuleers to prevent overt criminality in empire space - at least to my reading.


Even ignoring any actual direct treaties, CONCORD's very mandate demands the protection of its member states.

To protect the right of civilizations to grow and prosper;
To preserve the surviving sovereignties of the Dark Ages;
To serve justice to those immortals who abuse the privilege of everlasting life;
To safeguard the mortals of worlds from dangers which originate in space;
To prevent empyrean technology from causing the destruction of humanity
- CONCORD Mandate
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#84 - 2015-08-27 18:34:52 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Forget Tetua, forget Del'Thul, forget Respirox and Toov and Ushra'Khan....

You can't forget us, it's not nice..... and we are awesome.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2015-08-27 18:43:05 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
You can't forget us, it's not nice..... and we are awesome.

Well you're all telling me to ignore the Empire even if they did ask for help. My conscience won't let me do that.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#86 - 2015-08-27 18:51:49 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
You can't forget us, it's not nice..... and we are awesome.

Well you're all telling me to ignore the Empire even if they did ask for help. My conscience won't let me do that.

I never said you had to ignore them. I said I was going to ignore them, I also said I'd be willing to consider offering aid if they asked nicely..... I'm not completely heartless.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2015-08-27 20:07:05 UTC
In that case, consider yourself retroactively unforgotten.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#88 - 2015-08-27 20:59:58 UTC
I agree with Lt. Kernher.

(Yes, I actually do, feel free to write that in your SpaceBook)


CONCORD has failed.

She is right in that according to treaty, CONCORD should be doing a LOT more...assuming you believe they should have a military in the first place.

It's taken us three days. Three days to stem the damage of the Drifters in Khanid. Because of the transient and occasionally outlaw nature of the colonies and settlements there, we will never know how many civilian lives were lost, but if you were to count just the crews of the Imperial Navy, that figure would easily be in the millions.

But CONCORD would rather make sure someone's pod up in HiSec doesn't get ganked.

We still have two Sansha incursions going on inside the Federation as I write this, but CONCORD would just rather cordon those systems off and leave it up to capsuleers and locals.

Three days, Khanid stood alone and in three days, I *think* we've managed to take care of the situation. Three days of floating in a zero-g graveyard of Armageddons and Augerors while people sat back in their comfy staterooms doing risk assessments and opining like this was a gravball game because Khanid is too far and here be pirates and Providence is burning and there's a party in Matari and it's just not my problem. And you're right. It wasn't your problem. It was Khanid's. We dealt. The Empire stepped up and followed the treaties they have with us and we delt. CONCORD? Nowhere to be seen. Just an incursion alert and and an estimate of how many goodies you might earn with the Empire.

The time for CONCORD, as it is now, has come and gone.


"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Arrendis
TK Corp
#89 - 2015-08-27 21:59:28 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Three days of floating in a zero-g graveyard of Armageddons and Augerors while people sat back in their comfy staterooms doing risk assessments and opining like this was a gravball game because Khanid is too far and here be pirates and Providence is burning and there's a party in Matari and it's just not my problem.


I do appreciate your frustration, Mr. Mokk. Providence will, at this rate, take us longer than our frankly ridiculously optimistic public estimates - but that's propaganda for you. By our internal estimates... we're actually ahead of our timetable, and adjusting to the new realities of war. It's my sincere hope that we'll be able to render assistance in the near future. That said, we are also fully expecting to be fired upon by the people we'd be assisting, and while I personally will be counseling restraint, I can't guarantee my FC will listen to me.

If we turn up, at least until a working relationship with our Incursion team can be established, my advice is: get out of the way and let the Drifters whittle us down.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#90 - 2015-08-27 22:01:56 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
I agree with Lt. Kernher.

(Yes, I actually do, feel free to write that in your SpaceBook)




You know, you two would make a cute couple.......

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Kyoko Sakoda
Achura-Waschi Exchange
Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
#91 - 2015-08-27 22:23:58 UTC
Quote:
... original post ...


Thread says, "no."
Svetlana Laknaya
Khushakor Clan
#92 - 2015-08-27 22:34:51 UTC
Mr. Irxs very well said on the history of the Empire. I can find no fault with any of the points listed, but I do believe that we as capsuleers should still look at doing what we can to join hands in peace and strength to repel threats to humanity. While I was very willing to look at the drifters as an opprotunity at first now I am seeing my brothers and sisters who are enslaved are in grave danger.

If protecting my own people means protecting Amarrians now, and attempting to free my people from their chains later then I think that is something that is good. Removing the chains from my enslaved brothers and sisters won't mean much if they are dead. We need to be willing to set our egos aside and use our power responsibly so that we can become the leaders our peoples deserve.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#93 - 2015-08-27 22:38:16 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:


Three days, Khanid stood alone and in three days, I *think* we've managed to take care of the situation. Three days of floating in a zero-g graveyard of Armageddons and Augerors while people sat back in their comfy staterooms doing risk assessments and opining like this was a gravball game because Khanid is too far and here be pirates and Providence is burning and there's a party in Matari and it's just not my problem. And you're right. It wasn't your problem. It was Khanid's. We dealt. The Empire stepped up and followed the treaties they have with us and we delt. CONCORD? Nowhere to be seen. Just an incursion alert and and an estimate of how many goodies you might earn with the Empire.



Nice job, I'm sincerely glad you have made progress in pushing them back. It is pretty disgusting how little Concord cares (Yes I don't like them because they shoot at me as my primary reason). My only question is since quite obviously Amarr has burned too many bridges what would you think the Khanid have to offer willingly to those among us who demand something? I don't count myself as among them, but would rather not have my homecoming greeted with barrage rounds.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#94 - 2015-08-27 23:02:35 UTC
Avio Yaken wrote:
I ask if it would be possible if the four empires would be willing to stop tossing more and more resources at theses pointless war-zones against each other and perhaps have a temporary truce to deal with this devastating force before it gets out of hand..THEN we can go back to killing each other.

Msr. Yaken.

Thank you for your this thoughtful contribution to IGS.

After do consideration I regretfully submit my answer.

No....

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#95 - 2015-08-28 00:13:30 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Sinjin Mokk wrote:


Three days, Khanid stood alone and in three days, I *think* we've managed to take care of the situation. Three days of floating in a zero-g graveyard of Armageddons and Augerors while people sat back in their comfy staterooms doing risk assessments and opining like this was a gravball game because Khanid is too far and here be pirates and Providence is burning and there's a party in Matari and it's just not my problem. And you're right. It wasn't your problem. It was Khanid's. We dealt. The Empire stepped up and followed the treaties they have with us and we delt. CONCORD? Nowhere to be seen. Just an incursion alert and and an estimate of how many goodies you might earn with the Empire.



Nice job, I'm sincerely glad you have made progress in pushing them back. It is pretty disgusting how little Concord cares (Yes I don't like them because they shoot at me as my primary reason). My only question is since quite obviously Amarr has burned too many bridges what would you think the Khanid have to offer willingly to those among us who demand something? I don't count myself as among them, but would rather not have my homecoming greeted with barrage rounds.



Thank you,

As it stands now, we're offering whatever bounty the Empire and CONCORD are offering. Standard lwas regarding security status apply, but about half of Khanid is LoSec, so that shouldn't matter too much. This may change, depending on further action. For those who fight here and see Khanid for the gem it is, there would probably be the offer of citizenship and the ability to start or move a corporation here, start a colony here. Take a look at close our ties with the State have been and you'll clearly see the benefit of working for the Kingdom.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#96 - 2015-08-28 00:18:26 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Three days of floating in a zero-g graveyard of Armageddons and Augerors while people sat back in their comfy staterooms doing risk assessments and opining like this was a gravball game because Khanid is too far and here be pirates and Providence is burning and there's a party in Matari and it's just not my problem.


I do appreciate your frustration, Mr. Mokk. Providence will, at this rate, take us longer than our frankly ridiculously optimistic public estimates - but that's propaganda for you. By our internal estimates... we're actually ahead of our timetable, and adjusting to the new realities of war. It's my sincere hope that we'll be able to render assistance in the near future. That said, we are also fully expecting to be fired upon by the people we'd be assisting, and while I personally will be counseling restraint, I can't guarantee my FC will listen to me.

If we turn up, at least until a working relationship with our Incursion team can be established, my advice is: get out of the way and let the Drifters whittle us down.



Those estimates always fall short. It's a part of war. Providence isn't Amarr. Do what you need to do there and I'm sure there will still be plenty of Drifters to go around after. Have your people contact the Royal Khanid Capsuleer Council and we can talk further. Staying out of the way while someone else does the fighting isn't really our style.



"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Anise Tig'res
Doomheim
#97 - 2015-08-30 05:00:57 UTC
Avio Yaken wrote:
Hi..I'm not the best at this "serious discussion" stuff on the IGS but...I'm willing to try..

Ladies and gentlemen, the Drifters have proven themselves as a serious threat not to be taken lightly, currently the fight in Khanid space is going horribly for the Kingdom as control over the constellation has not budged...Well..they managed to claim 5% of the constellation before losing it to the drifters as of this morning...

As a mercenary its rather hypocritical of me to ask for some kind of cease fire between factions, but this threat is obviously nothing we have ever faced before.

I ask if it would be possible if the four empires would be willing to stop tossing more and more resources at theses pointless war-zones against each other and perhaps have a temporary truce to deal with this devastating force before it gets out of hand..THEN we can go back to killing each other

If the drifters manage to take out the largest nation in the entire cluster...Whats to say the State might last on its own..or the Republic..Or even the Federation...Alone we can lethal sure..But as a team we can dominate this foe quickly

Years ago the empires combined forces in order to fight off Sansha's nation. Why can't we do that again here and now against a more pressing enemy that can very well threaten the entirety of the cluster more than the Nation ever could..

And i don't think i need to remind you of the Empress....How she was obliterated in a matter of seconds in the HQ of the same Amarr Navy thats suppose to be fighting back theses damn things, they are not mindless drones, they are adaptive and resourceful and have tech that is far superior to our own.

We don't have to be friends forever..Just a temporary truce to deal with this cancer that we can quickly remove before it becomes fatal.

I fought at Sarum prime during that rally...I lost people close to me that day, i witnessed their power firsthand and I'm willing to not fight in this war as a mercenary, but a soldier to stop this madness

Besides...i can't even be a mercenary if the Drifters wipe everyone out...


Obviously not. The filthy behavior of other factions is clearly proof that we mustn't ally with the Gallente and Minmatar in order to stop the constant abduction of our citizens and the mass incursions of enemy aggressors the entire world seems to be completely fine with pretending don't exist.


...And as soon as I can figure out just what that filthy behavior is, I'll be sure to let everyone know...
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#98 - 2015-08-30 05:26:00 UTC
Anise Tig'res wrote:
Avio Yaken wrote:
Hi..I'm not the best at this "serious discussion" stuff on the IGS but...I'm willing to try..

Ladies and gentlemen, the Drifters have proven themselves as a serious threat not to be taken lightly, currently the fight in Khanid space is going horribly for the Kingdom as control over the constellation has not budged...Well..they managed to claim 5% of the constellation before losing it to the drifters as of this morning...

As a mercenary its rather hypocritical of me to ask for some kind of cease fire between factions, but this threat is obviously nothing we have ever faced before.

I ask if it would be possible if the four empires would be willing to stop tossing more and more resources at theses pointless war-zones against each other and perhaps have a temporary truce to deal with this devastating force before it gets out of hand..THEN we can go back to killing each other

If the drifters manage to take out the largest nation in the entire cluster...Whats to say the State might last on its own..or the Republic..Or even the Federation...Alone we can lethal sure..But as a team we can dominate this foe quickly

Years ago the empires combined forces in order to fight off Sansha's nation. Why can't we do that again here and now against a more pressing enemy that can very well threaten the entirety of the cluster more than the Nation ever could..

And i don't think i need to remind you of the Empress....How she was obliterated in a matter of seconds in the HQ of the same Amarr Navy thats suppose to be fighting back theses damn things, they are not mindless drones, they are adaptive and resourceful and have tech that is far superior to our own.

We don't have to be friends forever..Just a temporary truce to deal with this cancer that we can quickly remove before it becomes fatal.

I fought at Sarum prime during that rally...I lost people close to me that day, i witnessed their power firsthand and I'm willing to not fight in this war as a mercenary, but a soldier to stop this madness

Besides...i can't even be a mercenary if the Drifters wipe everyone out...


Obviously not. The filthy behavior of other factions is clearly proof that we mustn't ally with the Gallente and Minmatar in order to stop the constant abduction of our citizens and the mass incursions of enemy aggressors the entire world seems to be completely fine with pretending don't exist.


...And as soon as I can figure out just what that filthy behavior is, I'll be sure to let everyone know...

That or those who are of those groups fear retribution from their own even if they see such issues as a threat cluster wide...
Facing your own as a result of trying to protect everyone is a hard pill to swallow, and I doubt many will do so willingly...
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2015-08-30 12:04:13 UTC
I've lost track of this over the last few days so just to be clear: Were the Drifters only targeting military assets or were they engaged in total war against civilians and non-military assets?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#100 - 2015-09-04 05:36:06 UTC
I completely agree with Lt. Kernher that CONCORD has failed its purpose.
It must be reassembled and refactored, but this time - without Gallente Federation and Minmatar Republic. They are the troublemakers and ballast that civilized society doesn't need.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.