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Is it possible for the Empires to come to a truce?

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#181 - 2015-09-16 10:20:44 UTC
Viktor Revon wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
So, the same Gratitude the Gallente show you....

Gallenteans are liars and backstabbers, looking only to betray you, convert you to their filthy ideals and stop your progress out of envy and greed, forcing you into inefficient degradation akin to their crumbling Federation.

They were to us, yes, and as a whole this can be true.

Although the Federation is not crumbling, as much as we both wish it would.

Individually, the Gallente choose their own place, am I not correct? They are not all monsters.

It would be okay, if they would chose their own place not on our home world planet and not in our Black Rise. Meanwhile it is not.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Viktor Revon
#182 - 2015-09-16 10:25:10 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Viktor Revon wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
So, the same Gratitude the Gallente show you....

Gallenteans are liars and backstabbers, looking only to betray you, convert you to their filthy ideals and stop your progress out of envy and greed, forcing you into inefficient degradation akin to their crumbling Federation.

They were to us, yes, and as a whole this can be true.

Although the Federation is not crumbling, as much as we both wish it would.

Individually, the Gallente choose their own place, am I not correct? They are not all monsters.

It would be okay, if they would chose their own place not on our home world planet and not in our Black Rise. Meanwhile it is not.

I would argue that if they were to fight with us, again individually, it would be fine for even that.

This is correct?

"Into the dark abyss shall we venture once more." - Viktor Revon

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#183 - 2015-09-16 13:49:40 UTC
Viktor Revon wrote:

I would argue that if they were to fight with us, again individually, it would be fine for even that.

This is correct?

I don't think so. Sorry.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#184 - 2015-09-16 15:20:55 UTC
Pilot Revon why are you wasting your time attempting to converse logically with a genocidal maniac the likes of Kim? This is akin to trying to teach a pig physics; frustrating and counterproductive for you and annoying for the pig.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#185 - 2015-09-16 15:25:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Neph
Anabella Rella wrote:
Pilot Revon why are you wasting your time attempting to converse logically with a genocidal maniac the likes of Kim? This is akin to trying to teach a pig physics; frustrating and counterproductive for you and annoying for the pig.


Congratulations on calling somebody a pig because they have more conviction than you. Diana is not a maniac, she's a hard-nosed Statist whose view of the world is set in stone. I respect her for that, even if I would disagree with her, IMO, simplistic view of reality on *many* points. You say she won't listen to you when I don't see many people listening to her.

It's easy to turn to personal insults when you've run out of things to say.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#186 - 2015-09-16 15:33:15 UTC
I'll let Kim's record and past writings speak for themselves. Also, you might want to read my words again. I called Kim a genocidal maniac, not a pig. The pig sentence was an allusion. You might want to have someone explain that term to you.

Also, I know many "hard nosed Statists" like Pieter Tuulinen; they are honorable men and women who wish only to be left alone to do as they wish without foreign interference. This is a far cry from Kim's rantings about wanting to wipe an entire race out of existence.

Also, sister, you might want to check your records. I've been fighting against the slavers (and therefore showing my "conviction") since long before you've had a license. How you can take the side of a xenophobic mass murderer like Kim over one of your own baffles me.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#187 - 2015-09-16 15:37:51 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Pilot Revon why are you wasting your time attempting to converse logically with a genocidal maniac the likes of Kim? This is akin to trying to teach a pig physics; frustrating and counterproductive for you and annoying for the pig.

Oh, I see another one fool poked out just to spread her groundless lies.
What this time? Hallucinations about genocide and maniacs?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#188 - 2015-09-16 15:42:11 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
I'll let Kim's record and past writings speak for themselves. Also, you might want to read my words again. I called Kim a genocidal maniac, not a pig. The pig sentence was an allusion. You might want to have someone explain that term to you.

Which is a stupid lie, like everything you say, tribal.

Anabella Rella wrote:

Also, I know many "hard nosed Statists" like Pieter Tuulinen; they are honorable men and women who wish only to be left alone to do as they wish without foreign interference. This is a far cry from Kim's rantings about wanting to wipe an entire race out of existence.

Savage trying to speak about honor? Looks like a swine in a tutu.
Oh, and of course another groundless like as i wold "wipe an entire race blablabla". As they say, fear has huge eyes.

Anabella Rella wrote:

Also, sister, you might want to check your records. I've been fighting against the slavers (and therefore showing my "conviction") since long before you've had a license. How you can take the side of a xenophobic mass murderer like Kim over one of your own baffles me.

I see some idiots still try to name me "xenophobic mass murderer". I would be very surprised if anyone could believe words of idiots, really. Why they even still try, anyone with at least a gram of grey matter would see that they are liars.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#189 - 2015-09-16 17:48:34 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
I'll let Kim's record and past writings speak for themselves. Also, you might want to read my words again. I called Kim a genocidal maniac, not a pig. The pig sentence was an allusion. You might want to have someone explain that term to you.

Touche.

Anabella Rella wrote:
Also, I know many "hard nosed Statists" like Pieter Tuulinen; they are honorable men and women who wish only to be left alone to do as they wish without foreign interference.

Tuulinen is a man I both respect and agree with. I respect Kim, even if I disagree with her on many points. There are wise members of the State, there are reactionaries like Heth. There are wise members of the Republic, there are radicals like Muritor.

Anabella Rella wrote:
This is a far cry from Kim's rantings about wanting to wipe an entire race out of existence. Also, sister, you might want to check your records. I've been fighting against the slavers (and therefore showing my "conviction") since long before you've had a license. How you can take the side of a xenophobic mass murderer like Kim over one of your own baffles me.

I've had a long life before I first stepped into a pod, thank you. Much of that has been in the State, much in the Republic. I can see the parallels.
How many Matari scream that all Amarr should die? How many wish to wipe them out of existence? Tell me you didn't hear the shouts of joy, the dinging and donging when Jamyl was killed? They were no easier to debate with than Kim! But did you relate them to swine? Did you call them genocidal maniacs? No, because you understand the history that has brought them to that place. They're irrational and their hate is foolish, but we respect them as brothers and sisters in pain. Yet somehow, the Caldari's burden is one to be dismissed and denied.
Such hypocriticalness is no less xenophobic.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#190 - 2015-09-16 17:56:50 UTC
Addendum: Diana's use of 'Tribal' and 'Savage' as insults is starting to **** me off. Don't doubt that. I've still heard a hell of a lot of "Calamari", "Mindless Workbots", and "Slaver-lovers" in my time. Sticks and stones, sticks and stones.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Ferrucio Surge
The Bag Cartel
#191 - 2015-09-16 20:28:36 UTC
Personal attacks don't improve an argument, so I would prefer not to use them in a serious public forum unless it was cleverly constructed, and I'm usually not that clever P
Viktor Revon
#192 - 2015-09-16 21:30:57 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
I'll let Kim's record and past writings speak for themselves. Also, you might want to read my words again. I called Kim a genocidal maniac, not a pig. The pig sentence was an allusion. You might want to have someone explain that term to you.

Which is a stupid lie, like everything you say, tribal.

Anabella Rella wrote:

Also, I know many "hard nosed Statists" like Pieter Tuulinen; they are honorable men and women who wish only to be left alone to do as they wish without foreign interference. This is a far cry from Kim's rantings about wanting to wipe an entire race out of existence.

Savage trying to speak about honor? Looks like a swine in a tutu.
Oh, and of course another groundless like as i wold "wipe an entire race blablabla". As they say, fear has huge eyes.

Anabella Rella wrote:

Also, sister, you might want to check your records. I've been fighting against the slavers (and therefore showing my "conviction") since long before you've had a license. How you can take the side of a xenophobic mass murderer like Kim over one of your own baffles me.

I see some idiots still try to name me "xenophobic mass murderer". I would be very surprised if anyone could believe words of idiots, really. Why they even still try, anyone with at least a gram of grey matter would see that they are liars.

First of all...
That is not a lie, nor is everything she says. She did not call you a pig, she called you a genocidal maniac, which you are, or at one time were.
How do I know this? I have been reading around here long before I began speaking up. I for one have seen your genocidal comments, although I recognize they were the past, and people may come to regret their past words.

Second of all...
Uh, she's not a savage due to race, and she may have honour.
Yeah, you have made a statement in the past about genocide if my memory serves me well enough.

Finally,
Xenophobic? I can not remember exactly if you have acted with xenophobia-like behavior, although I would assume you have.
Actually, Ms. Kim, you have already claimed her a liar when she has not lied, then proceeded to call her a savage, a swine, and an idiot.

You are starting to look like that one child that refuses to believe anyone who opposes their mindset, no offense intended.

Ms. Neph, you seem to have forgotten 'Corporate Slaves', 'Warmongers', and 'Squid'
I have been called the first and third countless times with the second making only a handful.

"Into the dark abyss shall we venture once more." - Viktor Revon

Jennifer Starfall
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#193 - 2015-09-16 21:38:54 UTC
It appears Mr. Yaken's question has gotten lost in the noise. Can the empires come to a truce? Possibly, but I doubt it will happen in time. The empires are massive behemoths. They have been in the current state of war for seven years. That's seven years of momentum, seven years of hate fueled steam in engines of destruction. It will take too long for the juggernauts of war to come to a stop.

We cannot depend upon humanity to save themselves; it is up to us, the empyrean children of man, to save them not just from the Drifters but from themselves. They will continue to fight within the jaws of the beast as it devours them. It is up to us to save them from the Drifters. We must stop fighting each other and fight the threat posed to ourselves, the empires we love, and the humanity that gave us birth.

If you love your Empire, State, Federation or Republic; if you love the crews of your ships and the families that welcome them home and mourn their deaths, stand together as one unified force.

We cannot fight the Drifters individually or in parts. We have seen the lengths the Drifters will go to at Safizon. This is a foe like no other that New Eden has faced before. We cannot lose sight of the consequences of failure. We cannot afford to be distracted by the empires' wars. Caldari Prime, Yulai, Malkalen, slavery: these are nothing compared to the fate the Drifters promise us.

If you love anything in New Eden, stop fighting each other and fight the Drifters.

Jennifer Starfall

Fifth Seyllin Conference

Avio Yaken
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#194 - 2015-09-16 22:11:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Avio Yaken
Jennifer Starfall wrote:
It appears Mr. Yaken's question has gotten lost in the noise. Can the empires come to a truce? Possibly, but I doubt it will happen in time. The empires are massive behemoths. They have been in the current state of war for seven years. That's seven years of momentum, seven years of hate fueled steam in engines of destruction. It will take too long for the juggernauts of war to come to a stop.

We cannot depend upon humanity to save themselves; it is up to us, the empyrean children of man, to save them not just from the Drifters but from themselves. They will continue to fight within the jaws of the beast as it devours them. It is up to us to save them from the Drifters. We must stop fighting each other and fight the threat posed to ourselves, the empires we love, and the humanity that gave us birth.

If you love your Empire, State, Federation or Republic; if you love the crews of your ships and the families that welcome them home and mourn their deaths, stand together as one unified force.

We cannot fight the Drifters individually or in parts. We have seen the lengths the Drifters will go to at Safizon. This is a foe like no other that New Eden has faced before. We cannot lose sight of the consequences of failure. We cannot afford to be distracted by the empires' wars. Caldari Prime, Yulai, Malkalen, slavery: these are nothing compared to the fate the Drifters promise us.

If you love anything in New Eden, stop fighting each other and fight the Drifters.



Thank you Ms.Starfall for trying to get the thread on the right track...

However i think the racism argument has taken over this thread like every other thread on the IGS...Hope im wrong

(.___________________________________________.)/

Ferrucio Surge
The Bag Cartel
#195 - 2015-09-17 04:05:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Ferrucio Surge
I don't think it's fair to expect everyone to agree on every issue, but with certain issues concerning fundamental human rights, it's necessary to have some social cohesion. Otherwise we probably cannot have peace. I know that I will be willing to help Amarr if they are faced with a severe threat, especially when that threat is capable of harming the rest of the cluster. Same with Caldari, Gallente and Matari
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#196 - 2015-09-17 05:22:17 UTC
Viktor Revon wrote:
she called you a genocidal maniac, which you are, or at one time were.

Well, since you are as well decided to spread groundless lies about Caldari officer, I will treat you as enemy of the State as you have deserved. With fire and steel.

See you in space.

Viktor Revon wrote:

Yeah, you have made a statement in the past about genocide if my memory serves me well enough.

And this is a typical example of a blind gallentean propaganda - to lie about Caldari Officer without having anything in their head except their hallucinations they call "memories". Luckily for all of us, they exist only in Viktor Revon's head.

I don't know better cure of gallentean brainwashing than heavy gunfire. And Viktor Revon might need this remedy soon.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Ferrucio Surge
The Bag Cartel
#197 - 2015-09-17 05:37:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Ferrucio Surge
I would have to side with miss Kim in this case. Unless you can find quotes to back up your claims of somebody's character, I would say it's unfair to call her a genocidal maniac. Surely if you feel that strongly about her, you would have a good reason, preferably with some kind of record
Viktor Revon
#198 - 2015-09-18 03:45:49 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Viktor Revon wrote:
she called you a genocidal maniac, which you are, or at one time were.

Well, since you are as well decided to spread groundless lies about Caldari officer, I will treat you as enemy of the State as you have deserved. With fire and steel.

See you in space.

Viktor Revon wrote:

Yeah, you have made a statement in the past about genocide if my memory serves me well enough.

And this is a typical example of a blind gallentean propaganda - to lie about Caldari Officer without having anything in their head except their hallucinations they call "memories". Luckily for all of us, they exist only in Viktor Revon's head.

I don't know better cure of gallentean brainwashing than heavy gunfire. And Viktor Revon might need this remedy soon.

I am about done with this conversation as thus far, you have had the same answer, albeit with different words, to everything.

Ignore, insult, or threaten.

The Gallentean Propaganda part makes no sense whatsoever when referring to me, one whom is on less than friendly terms with the Feds. Oh, and do not worry, I have something in my head, it is a brain that is capable of reasoning and using logic, which seems to be where your mind stops.

As for the 'Treat you like an enemy of the State.'
Very well, but this will be a Caldari Officer attacking another whom is currently in the Caldari Militia. ((Might want to point out, my character isn't currently in it, but lore-wise, he is.))

These hallucinations are common to all humans that are biologically correct.
They are moments of recalling the past, and if you do not have memories of anything, you may wish to see a medical professional as soon as you can, write this down right now too seeing as you have no memory of the last 5 seconds. ((To clarify, that would be only for the one whom doesn't have memory))

Now, I know no cure for your broken insights, so sadly I can not help you. However, if you do wish to hunt me down, and kill me for little reason other than having nothing to really combat my points than threats, go ahead. I'm currently in Usi, in a capsule.
Although this will not stop me from approaching your ship.

Finally, I see no way you could possibly call me a subject of Gallentean Brainwashing. I despise the Federation, and try to avoid Federate spaces when I can.

Oh, and Ms. Kim, I am not against the State, in fact you may have called me a Caldari Extremist in the past, or Caldari Loyalist up until a few months ago in which I drew back from the conflict.

Also, Mr. Surge, I most certainly will look for the quotes when I get the time, which may be a while, but I will get them when possible.

"Into the dark abyss shall we venture once more." - Viktor Revon

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#199 - 2015-09-18 05:22:56 UTC
Ferrucio Surge wrote:
I would have to side with miss Kim in this case. Unless you can find quotes to back up your claims of somebody's character, I would say it's unfair to call her a genocidal maniac. Surely if you feel that strongly about her, you would have a good reason, preferably with some kind of record

Kim-baka's racist, genocidal and xenophobic rantings have been archived over the past several years. I suggest you do some research pilot and avail yourself of the IGS' search function. Kim's diatribes, both in print and in person, are well known.

Just to refresh your memory, here's one tidbit from earlier in this thread in which she offers her bigoted views and generalizes about all Gallenteans:
Diana Kim wrote:

Gallenteans are liars and backstabbers, looking only to betray you, convert you to their filthy ideals and stop your progress out of envy and greed, forcing you into inefficient degradation akin to their crumbling Federation.


Be careful about whom you hitch your wagon to, pilot.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Ferrucio Surge
The Bag Cartel
#200 - 2015-09-18 08:09:01 UTC
Perhaps there is some Caldari culture in those words. I would be interested in learning more about Kim's ideal Caldari State, ideal New Eden