EVE General Discussion

Funny part is, most of the serious and supported requests ask to make it harder/challenging without changing current demographic for said task but we get dumbed down version instead.

Also, highsec ganking needs to go, or at least be tweaked.

Highsec is the heart of civilized space. How in the world can imperial installations such as space stations lend support to criminals who are killing citizens?

Gankers should have no access at all to space stations or jump gates and shouldnt be allowed to roam freely. Change it so that they can temporarily infiltrate regions by hacking jumpgates or somesuch.

Well, there is an example of different views and a different way to approach the gank. I am a firm believer in the tweak. In fact, if done right, the ganking could enhance Eve.

The biggest thing is that security standing really has to be longer lasting and harder to fix. First thing I would remove are tags for sec status.

Second is how to get security. Lowsec agents need special lowsec missions centered around negative standing players trying to get highsec access back. So you get sec, but burn your pirate standings big time. Other way to get sec? Sec needs to be earned by killing lowsec people. Standings gain based on isk destroyed. Standing loss based on isk destroyed.

This means that if a person is just shooting people with rookie ships, misdemeanor. Since is based on kills and losses, a person cannot just rotate alts really since would need to lose more than destroyed. Destroyed including lootable items.

The pirate standings work on another means. I think there could be a way to avoid concord, and only one way. Pirate gates.

So this makes it interesting, you are limited on how to get into highsec, but can commit criminal activities. If you use a gate, concord is probably going to camp it after, also burning the gate. To fix your sec, you are gonna burn pirate agents making such criminal activities extremely diffcult.

Result? We have ganks, but if you are a ganker, probably going to be one for life. It becomes a long term playstyle and work to be able to be a highsec criminal. Not a weekend hobby.

It really doesn't. Ganking is what creates any sense of risk to highsec, and without that risk, highsec would have to go or be tweaked to offer a pittance of what is currently available. The empires lend support because they're not criminals to citizens — only to other capsuleers, who aren't even human any more. They leave enforcement of intra-capsuleer conflict to CONCORD and wisely stay out of it beyond that.

Now, if you actually do start killing empire citizens, they also already do take umbrage, but since they're limited to their navies, it's an annoyance at best — hence why staying out is the wiser choice.

Gankers should have access to the space stations for the same reason everyone else have access to them. It is up to players to force players out if they feel those players shouldn't be there, and all the necessary mechanisms and mechanics are in place to let players do just that. So if gankers have access, it's because the players have decided that they should and allowed them.

Again, you have misunderstood my point.

You are applying a too narrow definition of PvP to only include combat.

PvP means competition and conflict with players.
That can take many forms.
For example, Trading is a form of pvp, and involves no combat.

Confusing the meanings of PvE and PvP has become commonplace, due to the compartmentalisation and separation of the two in many other games.

In EVE, they are integrated into each other, and into the whole.

All PvE MUST include elements of PvP, as player competition and conflict (whether combat or otherwise).

Sure you can call market trading pvp, i wont disagree with that.

But if i go in to a station, accept a mission, then go complete it where is the pvp?
As i have said already i can just create my own ship and ammo therefore avoiding that "pvp".

There isn''t going to be another person doing PVE in the mission i went and did.
Sure its possible for someone to scan down and try to interfere and go flashy, but if i ignore them, nothing changes unless there is something critical to loot.

There is no forced PVP like the perception your trying to force on people, they are doing PVE and thats it, and if they did it everyday, you could say they never PVP'd and didn't ever need to.

PVP needs PVE
PVE doesn't need PVP

3-4 pages of forum warrioring since my initial post. All that energy coulda been used to make content in Eve. But not, let us complain about the lack of content and Eve dying instead, surely this is better!

Dweebs.

I make solo content in eve. More content in exploration PvE than in blueball PvP

It is better. Ccp hopefully sees ideas and discusses, eve=more fun.

Also, cannot be dweebs. This is far to entertaining. We be classic.... NEEEERRRRRDDDDD!

What does the term "PvP" mean to you?

Drop in numbers is a non issue. CCP just needs to reduce skill training time and throw up more adds. Ta da... A bunch of new people with higher retention rate.

In my opinion, bitter vets need to get off the high horse and realize that your training time isn't proportional with retaining higher quality players. It just annoys the hell out of new subs because they have to pay 15 a month for 2 years to not suck in this game.

Now, some of you read that last sentence and already shut down my argument in their head. Before you furiously refute that statement and then suffer a panic attack, wipe the foam from your mouth and understand that every EvE player and their mother knows that you can be effective within a few months and be competitive. BUT NEW PLAYERS DO NOT SEE IT THAT WAY. There's a reason why flash games congratulate you every 5 seconds when you do something mundane. There's a reason why casinos have bells and whistles every time you pull a slot machine handle. There's a reason why CCP added the holding-a-newbs-hand Opportunities notification system. If the psychology behind the carrot on the stick needs to be broken down to you, carry on with your flaming of my post.

We need to stop dissuading players from keeping their subs active because we tell them with excruciating detail the exact length of time they need to train in order to have a fully effective character.

I have experienced this phenomenon of new players quitting time and time again. Only one of my 4 friends that I convinced to make trial accounts actually subbed. He then stopped playing because "there's no point." That in a nutshell explains why EvE has terrible retention rate. There really is no point in playing EvE if you full-heartedly believe that you need to train for endless months in order to be able to do something 100% perfect. You are not going to change this consumer behavior and EvE needs to change in order to adopt a compatible game model.

Bottom line, what I propose is simple. Manipulate the dumb behavior of consumers who enjoy bells and whistles(in this case that means faster training times) to have them believe they are not wasting time and money. Then throw up some adds and let the sandbox free to accommodate the new players.

As a closing note I just want to say this: We have an awesome sandbox, which at a time used to treat everyone fairly. However, now our sandbox punishes you the longer you wait to subscribe and start training. This is a disastrous way to treat consumers. Some people entertain the notion of pulling us all back down to 0 SP and restarting the game. There's no need for something so chaotic. Just help the new players reach the higher tiers of gameplay faster so they feel included in our shenanigans.