EVE General Discussion

CCP will need to step up to the plate and regain their grounds with PVE content if they want this game to survive a few more years. Not everyone is interested in combat PVP.

I think there's still hope, but they will need to act quickly and intelligently.

oh dear

Just on that though; Anyone can opt out of PVPs with me* anytime by sending me a plex.

Before I go to bed though I did catch this on re-reading and didn't reply to it;


Of course, I meant killboards in a metaphorical sense.

Doesn't have to be zkillboard or eve-kill, maybe it's the ledger you keep your trade scams written in, the note book where you write down corp theft notes, or the list you keep of bling-fit PVE'ers you want to gank. Maybe it's just the killboard in your mind - the memory of that time you dunked that nerd.


*This deal may/may not also include all other alts associated with me

I stand where I always do. I support improvements to PvE mechanics but understand that interaction with other players and a healthy risk/reward balance is still a major part of that, but don't believe that everything needs to involved people shooting each other in the face. Some PvE I still believe should be lower risk and lower reward than currently exists and others with higher in both. Thing like incursions need to be hammered into balance fairly sharpish, and even my own major moneymaker, highsec trading, should cost more as it's lower risk (taxes should be higher in highsec than lowsec and null).

Importantly though, PvE needs to be more entertaining which will only happen if they dedicate some time to it and make it less static. Being able to know exactly what happens in a mission or exactly where and when that next ice belt is going to spawn is bad. Missions should throw you a curve ball once in a while (I go a bit more into what I'd want to see in them here), and ice should definitely be more randomly placed, timed and sized.

Like you pointed out though, the markets are PvP with associated risks, albeit low ones. No PvE activity can be accomplished without being in the firing line for PvP.

To be fair though it's one of those dumb turnarounds, like why there are no "peace decs" but there are wardecs. It doesn't mean it's wrong or broken, it's just funny to note.

The easiest way to sum Eve up is this.

The BACKBONE of this game is PVE and the Market. Without PVE and the Market there would be no ships, ammo, modules, implants anything.

The REASON for the BACKBONE is PVP, with a huge BUT...

The backbone of PVE can feed itself. But it is impossible for the MEAT (PVP) to feed itself.

PVP needs PVE in order for it to exist.

The contrary is not true.

It is a hard concept for the die hards to understand.

But, PVE is much much more rich and meaningful BECAUSE there is PVP.

Have a look at my edit, and also re-read the very post you quoted.

Don't post on these forums, you're kinda bad at it.

I don't think he was talking about the ship you bought. He was referring to the 800M isk that you purchased.

Am I reading you correctly that your position is in agreement that more PvP, in terms of player competition and conflict (either as combat, otherwise or both) is a central mechanism to incentivising, diversifying and adding player content to PvE activities?

(And btw its Lucas calling people trolls, and accusing others of "following him around", not Jenn)

Not in the context you are putting it.

PVP makes PVE more worthwhile.

PVP has not declined in the game even though numbers have.

PVP need PVE to survive

Game numbers are dropping, and it is the PVE side that is showing the largest drops

So I think PVE needs some love, new content, more opportunities, risky or otherwise in order to help PVP survive and thus the game survive.

PVE should always be getting love from CCP because it supports PVP and it supports itself. Where PVP love only supports itself and only when done correctly does it help boost PVE.

So again, your PVP needs made the PVE profitable for someone in the game.

Their PVE made your PVP POSSIBLE.

Still think PVE isn't essential for the game? Still think you didn't participate in a PVE function?