EVE General Discussion

Do not just try to look it up. Go and play some games that offer it.

That is just your opinion, but not an argument. Comeback when you have actually experienced it. Then we can talk.

Yes, it is, because you have not experienced it. So unless you do are you only talking without having made the experience, you are as one says talking out of your butt.

Do yourself a favour, stop trying to impress with empty talk, but actually go for the experience, because I cannot give it to you no matter how many words I type. You actually need to make the experience and must want to make it, and from your comments now do you not even seem remotely interested.

And just a minute ago did you write that you had to look it up and could not find much about it.

It is very simple.
There is people who dislike PVP, and people who dislike PVE. That much is present in any game featuring either.

Rebranding one as being another is a clever way of advertising the same thing to two different publics.

One of the exact problems with EVE is that it is written in its material that everything you do in EVE must be considered an act of defiance to other players. The fact you undock gives them the permission to try on your life. They may be (ridiculously non-preventing) punished, but that cant be something to rely upon.

But players and third parties all try to change PvP into PvE for marketing reasons, as people who would just turn their backs on the idea of PVP dont turn their backs to the game because of it. CCP does not do that, but EVE players do.

It is very simple actually:
For many people PvP is combat,
For many people PVP is source of being classified as a person, rather than as a player
For many people PVP will be such a source of ridicule, that they dont risk learning it by doing
For many people PVP is a way to feel superior as a person to others
For many people the previous two are mutual fueling ever growing concern
For many people the way to counter the previous is to change PVP concepts into PVE labels
For many people EVE online still a game they dont touch because and I "quote" people on twitch and youtube channels of eve players:


That can only change when people have a more clear idea about pvp. And making distinction of player conflicts between pvp and pve just prevents the game achieving that.

PVP is when you dispute with other players. Tenis is PVP, and you never even ocuppy the same space your opponent does. Market definition of buyouts and rollouts is "player vs player", and it is not EVE market I am talking about.

PVP is what eve is about. And pvp is good. But you are not a elite player by your damage, the number of ships you destroyed or the fit you fly. When you say that you are just a douche.

PVP is healthy, pvp is good, and that should be the image for PVP.

People who diminishes pvp by resuming it to numbers in a killboard are the ones ruining the game and pvp image.

It also has nothing directly to do with AI. Your drones in PvP have their own AI and still we recognize them as weapons and that these are being targeted.

In competitive PvE can two players simply race each other without there being any AI.

It is a matter of making an actual loss, which is associate with another player and his targeted actions (target at you).

Many players in EVE feel they are doing PvE when they shoot POSes especially when no enemies are around. Do you think they are right?

Yes it does. it's exactly what PvE means.

Your lack of understanding of this simple term, or of the equally simple term PvP does not change this.

…are not your opposition — the other player is. The drones are just a weapon in that player-to-player combat — they're not an AI-driven environmental opponent. Remove the player and the drones are no longer relevant because they do nothing. It's not the drones you're trying to beat.

No, because then there wouldn't be any PvE — you know, the thing that's defined by AI opposition. Two players racing each other is just plain PvP — you know, where a player competes versus a player.

No. That is not a factor.

Your market orders were attacked the second you put them up.

Tippia you are destroying Whitehound in this forum pvp.

Sure loss is a factor. Ask anyone in EVE if it was still PvP for them when they could not make a loss or just cause you a loss.

So who attacked my orders? And what is my loss? Can you tell?

Nope. it's just a very common result since the competition is commonly a zero-sum game. It is not a necessity just because you pit a player against a player — all that's necessary for that to be true is that you've pitted a player against a player.

Irrelevant. It's inherent in the market, and the loss is the same it has always been: wealth.

It's not fictional. It's a matter of historical record. You keep trying to use terms you have no understanding of, and when you inevitably get corrected, you try to redefine them into something they've never meant or refuse to accept varieties of meaning that don't agree with you.

Remember when you refused to understand what “passive” meant?