EVE General Discussion

I agree with Jill. There are many of type two and three fw players. Don't suggest to nerf away what is actually working and providing content for a lot of players (myself included), especially if you have not tried it yourself. If you just want to nerf the lvl 4 missions that people farm, then go on with it, I always wondered why they are connected with FW? Seems like bad game design

If you want to remove the plexes (I assume this is what you mean by arbitrary rules) you should really try out FW before you keep advocating for this change. It is a nicer environment for solo players and new players to find enjoyable pvp, as you have a little bit of protection from groups due to the gate. Some of the most fun moments is when you manage to kill the bait before the rest of the group manage to arrive. Or they are new and drop in one at time, and you manage to kill each of them before the next arrives.

Funny, I did the same in 2008.


Thing is in 2011 there was an actual issue, focus elsewhere resulting in a long standing lack of effort going in EVE itself. That is not the case here, EVE is getting a TON of love, updates and whatnot. Completely different scenario, if you can't see that then you can't be helped.

I look at CCP's jump fatigue changes and I see confidence: "this is the path we've chosen, yes it's going to cost us subs but we're fine with it because in the long run it it'll be better". I look at all the investments, updates, under the hood changes to archaic coding, new ships, UI changes and whatnot and I see a company that knowns DAMN WELL what it's doing, going forward. i may not agree to all the changes they make but when push comes to shove those are details, not overarching clashes of ideas. Would they really implement skill trading then I'd have to reconsider my stance but we'll see how that one pans out.

CCP seems to be FINE with losing some short term subs, a large portion are a direct result of changes they made so they were to be expected. How well a company or game does is NOT directly reflected by how many subs it has. EVE is going to lose players who ultimately weren't really EVE players, some of them will return, some of them won't. That means that CCP has/get to focus on a more sandboxy "true" EVE to make up for that, I don't see the problem. A leaner, meaner CCP making a leaner, meaner EVE.

I've stated this before but it seems it has to be spelled out all the time, for people who aren't actually any good at leading or managing a company.

In order for a company to do well long term it has to constantly question its own actions, make sure it hasn't lost its focus and cut dead weight. It is a continuous battle that sucks for the people affected (they might lose their job) but for a company to stay healthy and keep on top of things it has to be done. An important way of achieving that is by being complete fine with having to do exactly that and seeing it for what it is.

CCP and EVE will do fine as long as they don't panic or listen to terrible clown managers who got their business degrees from a milk carton. Atm CCP is making short term bad, long term good decisions which suck short term (duh) but will play out well long term.

I agree with this. We're far away from the soon(TM) jokes (That's Valve time if you haven't been around for CCPs soon(tm))
I remember the release of FW after 4x 6 month of build up (Kali expansions 1-4 , starting with Revelations I until finally we got Empyrean age with the actual release ...)

Things have changed a lot. Granted the 0.0 change took several expansion too and is not finished yet, but at least CCP has become better at looking after released new content and modifying it as necessary. Back before 2010, stuff was released as is, since there was no time budget in the 6 months expansion schedule to work on content that had just been released.

The 0.0/sov changes are going to take a long time and CCP showed confidence (and understanding) by stating right from the start that it's going to take several iterations, rethinks and whatnot to "solve" 0.0. That's just a realistic stance. They DID wait quite long with the actual changes but as per usual everything is connected to everything else and soc being a massive feature that is connected to just about everything else they had to wait for all kinds of related changes before it made sense to start on sov. Would they have communicated this better then I'm very sure people wouldn't have been so negative about it.

This really is CCP's issue btw, communication or lack thereof. I fully understand the issues and pitfalls that come with giving updates on what you're doing or planning but CCP has to be more on the ball in this regard.

Absolutely.

Hopefully this will change with their newly hired chief customer officer.

Is it dead yet? Did I miss it again?

You mean requiring CPR after your kissing.

I'm not so sure about that. Also, you're using a whole lot of doom & gloom for someone who has stated to have stopped bothering over a year ago which as emo drama statements go is a big one, so something CCP changed about a year ago you didn't like very much and now you're trying to convince us all of how terrible it all is. What was it, Jump fatigue?

Fact: people keep using the "think of the subs, why don't you just think of the subs" as a weapon to try and convince us/CCP that we just really should look at things your way. Not just you, but there's a lot of other guilty ones

Fact: this whole "CCP is going down, haven't you noticed we're doomed DOOMED" hilarious nonsense is pretty much the same thing. Unless you can give us all proof on this people should probably just stop trying to use it.

It's almost as if you lot are shills trying to push for f2p and p2w, almost.

You now what is odd. I joined a Star Citizen corporation this weekend. Its made of mostly ex-EVE players. Some are still playing but they are waiting for the open Universe to improve before quitting their subs, but many have already.

Once they add proper grouping in the open universe later this month we will most likely start practicing fleet operations.

Most notably most aren't quitting because they had a bad time with EVE. Its the subscription and the fact Star Citizen offers new features.

You know like walking in stations. Multicrewing. Direct control of space ships.

I don't know. Its happening. So who knows what will happen now?