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[Hydrostatic] Reward for the return of Empress Jamyl I's body
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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#61 - 2015-08-26 01:00:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Scherezad
Arrendis wrote:
The Empire could, of course, ask for donations, but to simple seize them and commandeer the assets would be a bit much, don't you think?


The Lady Tash-Murkon can buy what she likes,
And what she don't like, she don't buy.
No wealth in New Eden can't be said to exist
without the Tash-Murkon behind.
Even Mittens is smitten by her gold diadem,
But it's one that she'd trade for a crown.
For the throne that you'll find at the peak of Amarr
Is a place with no equal is found.
Imperium dreams are a nice reverie
(though a far bit too cruel to be nice),
but the volume of gold that Tash-Murkon can pay,
to the Goonswarm is too steep a price.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#62 - 2015-08-26 03:10:37 UTC
Scherezad wrote:

The Lady Tash-Murkon can buy what she likes,
And what she don't like, she don't buy.
No wealth in New Eden can't be said to exist
without the Tash-Murkon behind.
Even Mittens is smitten by her gold diadem,
But it's one that she'd trade for a crown.
For the throne that you'll find at the peak of Amarr
Is a place with no equal is found.
Imperium dreams are a nice reverie
(though a far bit too cruel to be nice),
but the volume of gold that Tash-Murkon can pay,
to the Goonswarm is too steep a price.


Hah! Lovely as always, Doc.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#63 - 2015-08-26 07:51:51 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
No matter what investments and assets there is instead of pure capitals, they will have funds in banks, stored capitals busy making money on regional and international markets. And trillions of isk to my eyes in that context, is pocket change.


Which are all privately held funds. The Empire could, of course, ask for donations, but to simple seize them and commandeer the assets would be a bit much, don't you think? If you're looking at the actual government having those funds - again, convince a bureaucracy the size of the Empire to shake the tree in a rapid manner.

Doesn't happen.


I do not think the Empire works that way...
Arrendis
TK Corp
#64 - 2015-08-26 17:54:36 UTC
Don't think it works what way? With a massive bureaucracy? Of course it does. It has to - you simply can't manage tens of thousands of people without 1% of them being employed just in that management.

And it scales... oh, mother, does it scale. The larger your organization, the more and more layers you need, so it balloons up from a relatively small percentage into... well, a monstrous thing that doesn't move at all quickly.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#65 - 2015-08-27 08:17:01 UTC
I do not deny employment or unemployment ratios nor your reasoning...

I just think that speaking about donations or seizing assets the way you present it, is trying to equate how the Empire works to democratic systems. And even democratic systems have treasuries, especially if they fare well.

You are also forgetting the sole power of Holders and Royal Houses, central banks, as well as corporations that too, have stored capitals or investments in the market. Especially the Tash-Murkons.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#66 - 2015-08-27 08:41:43 UTC
No, I simply think you're vastly overestimating the speed with which entities like that (no pun intended) make liquid assets available for use. Especially when compared to the attention span of the average capsuleer when Entity is potentially waving more money at him than he's ever imagined existing.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#67 - 2015-08-27 15:25:22 UTC
An advantage of the command economy structure is its ability to quickly react to situations as required.

That is what this textbook is telling me at least. I'm not an economist. Or a ... politicianist.

Politicist? Polist?
Arrendis
TK Corp
#68 - 2015-08-27 15:33:00 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Politicist? Polist?


Political Scientist, I think?
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#69 - 2015-08-27 15:36:27 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
An advantage of the command economy structure is its ability to quickly react to situations as required.

That is what this textbook is telling me at least. I'm not an economist. Or a ... politicianist.

Politicist? Polist?

It seems like for a large entity it would still be like reversing course on a Titan.

Only, you know, slower by orders of magnitude.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#70 - 2015-08-27 15:57:39 UTC
Political scientist! That's it, yes. What a boring word. I was hoping for something more, I don't know. Nugaku, I guess.

Were I Chancellor of Amarr, I would likely send a letter to the Lady Tash-Murkon with a gentle suggestion that recovering the body of the late Empress would be incredibly useful in building support for a bid for the throne. I don't think it would take much more time than for her to call for her Officer of the Treasury, at that point.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#71 - 2015-08-27 17:00:17 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Political scientist! That's it, yes. What a boring word. I was hoping for something more, I don't know. Nugaku, I guess.


Well, if you want an exciting word, about about 'Rabble-rouser' or 'bull**** detector'?

Quote:

Were I Chancellor of Amarr


... the cluster would be in far better shape.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#72 - 2015-08-27 18:44:16 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
No, I simply think you're vastly overestimating the speed with which entities like that (no pun intended) make liquid assets available for use. Especially when compared to the attention span of the average capsuleer when Entity is potentially waving more money at him than he's ever imagined existing.


Oh that... Sure...
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#73 - 2015-08-27 19:05:20 UTC
As someone who took way to many political theory courses at the SWA, let me say: political science isn't.

In any case, the bounty stands.

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Rook Moray
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2015-08-27 20:26:37 UTC
Bounty gonna have to be a lot higher.

Think. It's not just the Amarr that want it.

Drifters might want it. May be they already found it and quietly aced whoever had it. It been a while, no?

Rabbit might want it. Omir certainly wants it. Angels might want it, Serpentis, the Syndicate...hell, Sansha would totally want it, no?

Space Pope Max might want it.

Half a trillion Matari want it.

15 bil ISK? That's chump change.

“When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.” -Guristas Proverb.
Phyridean
Derp Shipping Co.
#75 - 2015-08-27 20:34:44 UTC
I should point out that the actual bounty is far above 15 billion at this point. We don't want to specify an actual number until someone comes forward, in order to avoid a premature bidding war.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#76 - 2015-08-27 21:33:51 UTC
Rook Moray wrote:
Bounty gonna have to be a lot higher.

Think. It's not just the Amarr that want it.

Drifters might want it. May be they already found it and quietly aced whoever had it. It been a while, no?

Rabbit might want it. Omir certainly wants it. Angels might want it, Serpentis, the Syndicate...hell, Sansha would totally want it, no?

Space Pope Max might want it.

Half a trillion Matari want it.

15 bil ISK? That's chump change.

I want it....

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Ferrucio Surge
The Bag Cartel
#77 - 2015-09-11 07:30:38 UTC
I take it there is no news concerning the late empress' body?
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#78 - 2015-09-11 15:25:36 UTC
No news and I doubt you'll ever hear anything about it. The corpse is likely in someone's private collection now where it will remain until it's eventually sold to Entity.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#79 - 2015-09-11 15:42:54 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
No news and I doubt you'll ever hear anything about it. The corpse is likely in someone's private collection now where it will remain until it's eventually sold to Entity.


Equally likely it was caught in a smartbomb volley or was shot by a Loyalist.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#80 - 2015-09-11 18:31:22 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Equally likely it was caught in a smartbomb volley or was shot by a Loyalist.


The majority of reliable reports say it was scooped, and by an unnamed cynabal pilot.