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repping our own ship with shield and armor rep drones...
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Kasia en Tilavine
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2015-08-24 09:00:28 UTC
"Buff to the power of small gang logi"

No, you aren't buffing the performance of t2 logi. You're buffing the staying power of a single t2 Oni or Scimi.
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#22 - 2015-08-24 09:58:56 UTC
If anything you are cutting the performance of Logi because rather than contributing DPS or Logi to a fleetmate through the drones, you are now using them on the logi itself.

That's not a boost, that's just a change of focus.
Kasia en Tilavine
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2015-08-24 11:34:36 UTC
Mike Voidstar wrote:
If anything you are cutting the performance of Logi because rather than contributing DPS or Logi to a fleetmate through the drones, you are now using them on the logi itself.

That's not a boost, that's just a change of focus.



A change of focus that creates "interesting choices", as fozzie would say.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#24 - 2015-08-24 12:57:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Daichi Yamato
Hopelesshobo wrote:


1. You can use your drones to engage his drones (On a non drone boat). This forces him to recycle his own drones frequently, which reduces the theoretical tank.

2. If you have issues shooting a drone that's 70 km away, then you would probably have issues shooting the logi itself that is 70 km away, and it probably wouldn't die anyways, with or without them.

3. A full flight of drones from a scimi is basically the equivalent (Very roughly) to 1 large rep. If that 1 large rep is the make or break moment, you should have brought another friend.

Remember, you don't have to actually kill the logi drones, because a drone is just as useless whether its dead, or in your drone bay.


These are entirely circumstantial. Trying to force the logi to cycle drones is one thing, but its not a hard counter. 500dps tank at 70km is still a lot better than almost any other cruiser.

@Kasia
Its not just independence to solo logi. In a paired set-up your adding maybe 25% to a logi's tank. You cant just jam or cap out one logi and then make your way through the others tank. One large rep does make a difference in a small gang fight.

@Mike,
your not cutting the performance of logi. You are increasing options.

its an outright buff and shift in ability. And to be honest, Logi doesnt need the buff.

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#25 - 2015-08-24 13:28:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Donnachadh
Hopelesshobo wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:

You guys arent getting it. Small gangs may have just two or only one logi. This adds more than a little tank to those logi.

'shoot the drones' says it all. Logi drones arent squishy when they are within scoop range of their owner. They arent squishy when you try to shoot them from 70km away. They aren't squishy when their owner cant be tracked by guns that actually shoot 70km. They cannot be neuted like logi or local reps. They cannot be damped like logi. And if you want to ECM them, you have to use one jam per drone.

Its a massive buff to small gang logi and as a fw logi pilot id benefit from this way more than any mission runner.


1. You can use your drones to engage his drones (On a non drone boat). This forces him to recycle his own drones frequently, which reduces the theoretical tank.

2. If you have issues shooting a drone that's 70 km away, then you would probably have issues shooting the logi itself that is 70 km away, and it probably wouldn't die anyways, with or without them.

3. A full flight of drones from a scimi is basically the equivalent (Very roughly) to 1 large rep. If that 1 large rep is the make or break moment, you should have brought another friend.

Remember, you don't have to actually kill the logi drones, because a drone is just as useless whether its dead, or in your drone bay.


1. Going after his drones reduces your DPS applied to his rep ship, since you are reducing your own DPS the loss of tank is not relevant.

2. A drone which is usually smaller and significantly faster is harder to hit at 70kM than the ship that launched it but your point is somewhat valid.

3. One large rep can be significant. Many are the times that a single large rep has kept a ship in the fight long enough to take down one of the opponents logi ships and that has been the death nail to their fleet.

As a drones pilot on this character and a logi on another I would love to have this ability, but the possibilities of it being OP are far to great so you stil get a -1.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2015-08-25 21:49:21 UTC
Kasia en Tilavine wrote:
I don't want to say legacy code.... But legacy code.

I believe the option used to exist, but has been removed for balance reasons. It may be possible to bring it back and remain balanced, but the code isn't an issue I don't think.

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Chihiro Chugakusei
Fortune Hunters - Navy Operations
#27 - 2015-08-25 23:31:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Chihiro Chugakusei
Needs some weird balancing (like can't be used in combat), still it should be added.

Keep it up, +1
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