EVE General Discussion

1) Because there are two T2 ammos for every turret class, and 4 damage types.

2) Because the short range T2 ammo is **** unless you're shooting something much larger than you, and that is true for every weapon system including missiles. Use faction shortrange and T2 longrange. Good advice on every turret.

1. then i would suggest they either make an exception for proj ammo and make more T2 variants or get rid of the four T1 variants and just have two so that someone like me doesnt get the impression that T2 options should include all four dmg types, its confusing.

2. perhaps they should add a third T2 ammo to remove the need for using faction ammo for short range.

The system seems pretty screwed up as it is now.

Thanks for your thoughts, btw.

Hush you!
They might make projectiles as bad as blasters if you aren't careful.

1. Meh. It's not really much to clarify. All weapons are different — one of the advantages of (T1) projectiles is some limited damage type selection.

Arguably, missiles do the same, but that's more because there are 2½ missile races: Caldari, Minmatar and (part of) Amarr, each with their own racial damage profile. So obviously, the missiles will have to support all of them, rather than just, say, the Caldari (often seen as “the missile race”) kinetic damage. Instead, the Caldari missile boats have a tendency to provide that bonus as part of the ship stats.

So you have Caldari and Gallente, with their Kn/Th profile (with Caldari preferring Kn and Gallente preferring Th); Amarr with their EM/Th profile (skewing more towards EM), and Minmatar with their preference for Ex damage, even if it's mixed in with other damage types in different projectile ammo versions.

2. It's 40% more than Barrage and 208% more than the T1 ammo it's based on (Depleted Uranium).

Didnt mean to imply that the 'new' T2 ammo should outperform faction, it shouldnt, but generally faction only slightly bests T2 and the expense of faction usually isnt justified outside pvp or or highend fleet pve. If im understanding the other persons comment correctly T2 short isnt much use unless your blasting huge things which seems to imply that it wouldnt be much use in L4s for instance. Hence my question as to whether another T2 variant is justifiable.

Well you can always poke your favorite CCP developer about thesethings.

The fact that at some point devs even fully implemented advanced T2 ammo and never removed it after many inventory cleanups, kinda nullifies "minmatar explosive race" argument.

... with the way that Gallente can put out drones, that is their damage type selection method and with the way the fluctuate on speed, damage, range and so forth, they have a similar cost benefit mix like projectile ammunition.

Edit: forgot the quote I was replying to.

Hail does 92.5% more damage than depleted uranium. It's 208% more than the long-range ammo types, and when was the last time you used those in an autocannon?

To be honest, ammo could use a balance pass - there's potential for a lot more interesting choices than "barrage or one of the faction short range ammos". Just making the ammo type affect falloff rather than (or as well as) optimal could help for projectiles. Maybe less variation in damage totals too.

You know what would be awesome?
Get rid of polarized weapons and turn them into a t2 ammo instead (with all the initial drawbacks); you would be much more flexible and able to decide when the advantages would be worth the drawbacks.

Notice the reistsance profiles for T2 minmatar assault frigates and even T3's? They get more resists against amarr weapons for being T2. Some Caldari ships only allow kinetic damage bonus, whilst a T2 minmatar ship or two gives explosive damage bonus for a reason.


Caldari has damage selectiveness but limited in damage on certian ship types in usage.
Minmatar gets all 4 damage types with decision towards application or short range, damage options. T2 being more powerful is limited to minmatar damage types. Gallente gets thermal and kinetic for T2 weapons, but is limited to only those in T1 ammo as well, but gets drones.


It's diversity, let EVE keep it's diversity. You can be good in any of them. I get maybe limiting the T1's as well to their race if T2's are lmited for the fact that it makes sense, but it isn't like that and it's likely a good thing.

I think projectiles and missles have much customization compared to lasers or hybrids for a reason. Someone had to have been austistic to mix all the variations evenly between the races properly, in balance and it how can be figured out. Galente are KIN/Therm limited but have drones while Amarr is limited and has some drones as well. It would be boring if everything each race had was damage type limited. If you are having trouble doing one thing with auto cannons and certain ammo why not try a different build?


I used blasters and had a hawk kite out of the 2500m range my blasters had, so instead I now fit tiny rails which can hit all of scram range at half damage because 100 dps is harmless if it cant hit. I also may have more room for other things, just gotta see what fits.