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[UNITY] Official statement on the death of Empress Jamyl.

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Nakito Kobara
Yamagata Syndicate
Northern Coalition.
#21 - 2015-08-22 11:04:51 UTC
Red Khalmer wrote:


This was a great day for the Minmatar people and marks a new dawn for new eden.

!


Be careful what you wish for. This new dawn may be far worse than you could imagine.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#22 - 2015-08-22 13:06:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Nauplius
There will be a response to this outrageous post by myself, Divine Commodore and Prophet of God. That response will involve the torture, mutilation, and sacrifice of Minmatar slaves. Lots of them. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#23 - 2015-08-22 13:42:54 UTC
Nakito Kobara wrote:
Red Khalmer wrote:


This was a great day for the Minmatar people and marks a new dawn for new eden.

!


Be careful what you wish for. This new dawn may be far worse than you could imagine.


Perhaps, but things getting worse before they get better is often the case. The facts remain. The Empire were never going to release our people willingly, other than broken and indoctrinated little weapons against the Tribes. The recently cloned Empress (feel free to chase down her clone by the way, agents last reported her in Chaven) attacked the Tribes in that very fashion and no one can tell me she wasn't a quite vocal proponent of militaristic reclaiming.

The Empire has suffered a blow, and those of us the Empire has sought to destroy, enslave and indoctrinate for centuries cheer. Should anyone be surprised? Let's face it, if Shakor got his teeth kicked in, the smug and arrogant IGS posting by the Amarr loyalists would blot out several front pages across every thread.

It is the way of things.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#24 - 2015-08-22 13:43:27 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:

Incidentally if someone knows a diplo contact for the Drifters The Republic are keen to chat with them.


Are you Nefantar by any chance ?

Cos that whole "we'll help if you promise to kill us last" thing you've got going there, looks very much like the Nefantar who helped the Amarr invasion of Pator, after receiving assurances that they would be enslaved last.

Hurr.



Are we seriously going for clichés now... ?


If clichés are the only thing that can save the Minmatar from themselves, then So Be It.


Nauplius wrote:
There will be a response to this outrageous post my myself, Divine Commodore and Prophet of God. That response will involve the torture, mutilation, and sacrifice of Minmatar slaves. Lots of them. Amen. Amarr Victor.


Now look what you've done. You've made Nauplius perturbed.

And when Nauplius is perturbed, millions of Minmatar die.

Good job, Ushra'Khan. Now Nauplius is going to kill more slaves than the Elder Fleet managed to rescue.


Or maybe that's what you want, hmm ?

Because it would sure be very convenient for your crafting of your mythos.

You want people like Nauplius to kill all the remaining enslaved Minmatar, so that you can wail and gnash your teeth, and write cruddy poetry about the cruelty of the Amarr, and the suffering of your people.

Because it suits your narrative.


So Be It.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#25 - 2015-08-22 13:49:17 UTC
Very disgraceful, pilot Khalmer.

I thought Ushra'Khan is one of the oldest capsuleers alliances, with honor and respectful reputation across the New Eden. To hurry up and create a thread where you publicly celebrate the death of your enemy just hours after she died, is barbaric, primitive, not graceful. As a Gallentean, I respected the Empress in many ways, I recognize she was one of the most powerful individuals in New Eden. A death is always a tragedy, a death of a ruler of trillions of people is truly a wide-cluster shock.

I understand your people were in disagreement with the Empress, I understand the Amarr Empire has no place in the Ushra'Khan world. But to show respect, to show the 'high grounds' is the way how honor works, how Freedom and justice is served and the thing that makes us different from those who we fight, or disagree with.

I'm Caroline Grace, and this is my favorite musical on the Citadel.

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#26 - 2015-08-22 13:56:54 UTC
Caroline Grace wrote:
Very disgraceful, pilot Khalmer.

I thought Ushra'Khan is one of the oldest capsuleers alliances, with honor and respectful reputation across the New Eden. To hurry up and create a thread where you publicly celebrate the death of your enemy just hours after she died, is barbaric, primitive, not graceful. As a Gallentean, I respected the Empress in many ways, I recognize she was one of the most powerful individuals in New Eden. A death is always a tragedy, a death of a ruler of trillions of people is truly a wide-cluster shock.

I understand your people were in disagreement with the Empress, I understand the Amarr Empire has no place in the Ushra'Khan world. But to show respect, to show the 'high grounds' is the way how honor works, how Freedom and justice is served and the thing that makes us different from those who we fight, or disagree with.


Want to bet how long it'd take for the Amarr loyalists to flood the IGS if Shakor was the target?
Kithrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2015-08-22 14:25:40 UTC
I remember when the Ray of Matar died and for the most part we Amarrians were very respectful of that fact.

Glad to see the favor returned in kind.

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2015-08-22 14:27:22 UTC
Ushra'Khan does not speak for Matar or all Matari even if at one point they may have.

The passing of the Empress is a tragedy as Louella and others have pointed out, not just in the Empire but for the Republic as well. Even Shakor could see with his blind eyes that gloating over the death of a head of state who did so much for the Republic will do no favors.

The Drifter threat is no longer etherial and no longer something to be ignored.

I wish there was something I could say about the passing of Empress Jayml that would not sound hollow. ..I hope that the next leader of the Empire will be able to live up to her example.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Jili Tonari
Doomheim
#29 - 2015-08-22 15:09:27 UTC
Wait a second,

The Amarr spent the last several centuries enslaving, raping and killing our people and some of you get down on this message because it's crass and disrespectful?

F*ck that! What respect do we owe these people? How is it they get to slaughter our people and our culture but have to play nice because their leader got ganked?

Screw it. I'm glad she's dead! She was no friend to the Matari. She was, at best, a living PR stunt.

Hey, I heard a new one. How many Amarr does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Answer: Doesn't matter, the Drifters will just come along and pop it anyways.

First rule for a baby pilot is that you're not safe the second you undock and never fly something you can't afford to lose. The Empress was too stupid to understand that and got her slaving ass blown up for it.

Yeah, the Drifters are a severe threat for everyone. I get that. We got lots of them in our skies. But I'm not gonna cry because they happened to kill the ***** that destroyed the Elder Fleet.

Boo hoo Amarr, you lost your leader. Maybe getting your ***** murdered will give you some perspective for when you murder my people.

Zero regrets. Zero respect.

No abolition, no peace.

“Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves.”

Kithrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2015-08-22 15:17:43 UTC
Jili Tonari wrote:
Wait a second,

No abolition, no peace.


And the one person who was making that possible just died. Thank you for your kind respect little one.

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#31 - 2015-08-22 15:18:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Desiderya
Oh, the proper mouthbreathers have finally arrived. Looks like every side has their 'vocal extremists'.

As an outside comment, I'm highly sceptical that outside aggression will lead to a more mutually acceptable situation.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2015-08-22 15:23:14 UTC
Jili Tonari wrote:

Screw it. I'm glad she's dead! She was no friend to the Matari. She was, at best, a living PR stunt.

No abolition, no peace.


She was in fact the best Friend to the Matari that ever ruled the Empire. It was her words that were moving toward ending the age of slavery. Toward that abolition.

I was ashamed I could not do anything to prevent her death, but not as ashamed as at the actions and words of my fellow Matari.

She did more to end slavery in the Empire than any one person of any race since the rebellion. This knee-jerk blindness from the Republic is exactly why the other nations look down on us as a people. You are so caught up in your hatred of all things Amarrian that you have been blinded to the fact you are celebrating a dark day for the Republic, the Slaves still in the Empire, and everyone in New Eden as well.

Shakor is actually blind and even he can see the truth of this. Look to your San Matar as an example!

CONCORD sees it, the rest of new Eden sees it.

I say again, these blind and loud few DO NOT speak for all Matari

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#33 - 2015-08-22 15:28:52 UTC
Jili Tonari wrote:
Wait a second,

The Amarr spent the last several centuries enslaving, raping and killing our people and some of you get down on this message because it's crass and disrespectful?

F*ck that! What respect do we owe these people? How is it they get to slaughter our people and our culture but have to play nice because their leader got ganked?

Screw it. I'm glad she's dead! She was no friend to the Matari. She was, at best, a living PR stunt.

Hey, I heard a new one. How many Amarr does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Answer: Doesn't matter, the Drifters will just come along and pop it anyways.

First rule for a baby pilot is that you're not safe the second you undock and never fly something you can't afford to lose. The Empress was too stupid to understand that and got her slaving ass blown up for it.

Yeah, the Drifters are a severe threat for everyone. I get that. We got lots of them in our skies. But I'm not gonna cry because they happened to kill the ***** that destroyed the Elder Fleet.

Boo hoo Amarr, you lost your leader. Maybe getting your ***** murdered will give you some perspective for when you murder my people.

Zero regrets. Zero respect.

No abolition, no peace.


We don't owe them a thing. We owe to ourselves to conduct ourselves with some form of dignity. If we are to better ourselves in any meaningful way, maybe we should learn to walk upright first. Did our kin kill her? No an alien force did who may I remind you has a presence in our home as well. It's hardly a victory, we didn't do a thing. Gloating about this doesn't really suit us, why people seem to think it does is beyond my comprehension. I'm not saying I'm sad about her death, really I don't know what to make of it because I'm looking beyond the sheet of glass instead of focusing on the smudge on the window pane.
Jili Tonari
Doomheim
#34 - 2015-08-22 15:59:41 UTC
Kithrus wrote:
Jili Tonari wrote:
Wait a second,

No abolition, no peace.


And the one person who was making that possible just died. Thank you for your kind respect little one.



Oh please.

Your Emperor/Empress is the totalitarian leader of your government and your religion. If Jamyl had any real interest in abolition she would have done it and you would have had to follow along.

She could have, she didn't. I'm not going to whine about what could have been because in the end she did nothing. In fact, she just recently called us a, "lesser race who remain unwilling to accept their true place as servants of His will."

And for my Brothers and Sisters, stop being apologists. Stop with the slave mentality of fearing to make these people angry or upset. They do not deserve our respect. They do not deserve our honor. They do not deserve our compassion. They are evil. Calling them what they are and reveling in their tears does not make you a lesser person because of who they are, what they are and what they do to us on a daily basis. We Matari have a right to be proud.

The Amarr culture is a culture of bullies. A new, bigger bully just came into the schoolyard and gave the first one a bloody nose. But we should feel sorry for them? No. We protect our own from the Drifters and we remember that we still have our people enslaved over there.

No abolition, no peace.




They are a dying race. Let them die.

“Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves.”

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#35 - 2015-08-22 16:37:25 UTC
Jili Tonari wrote:


The Amarr culture is a culture of bullies. A new, bigger bully just came into the schoolyard and gave the first one a bloody nose. But we should feel sorry for them? No. We protect our own from the Drifters and we remember that we still have our people enslaved over there.

No abolition, no peace.

They are a dying race. Let them die.


The Drifters are NOT the Jove, Tonari, they have displayed no love, sympathy or even empathy for anything that is human and they have just alpha'd the Head of the largest state in New Eden whilst she was piloting the largest vessel in New Eden and being protected by the largest fleet in New Eden.

Politics aside, if this does anything other than concern you then you're a moron.

Instead of mouthing tired clliche, why don't you give some thought to what would happen if the Drifters "came for your people"?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Jili Tonari
Doomheim
#36 - 2015-08-22 16:54:03 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Jili Tonari wrote:


The Amarr culture is a culture of bullies. A new, bigger bully just came into the schoolyard and gave the first one a bloody nose. But we should feel sorry for them? No. We protect our own from the Drifters and we remember that we still have our people enslaved over there.

No abolition, no peace.

They are a dying race. Let them die.


The Drifters are NOT the Jove, Tonari, they have displayed no love, sympathy or even empathy for anything that is human and they have just alpha'd the Head of the largest state in New Eden whilst she was piloting the largest vessel in New Eden and being protected by the largest fleet in New Eden.

Politics aside, if this does anything other than concern you then you're a moron.

Instead of mouthing tired clliche, why don't you give some thought to what would happen if the Drifters "came for your people"?




Heya pal,

We recognize the threat, and we're not blind to their capabilities. But like Shakor said, we don't really see them as a threat to us right now. We're more concerned for our people in Amarr.

Having the biggest ship and the biggest fleet ain't gonna be how these Drifters are beat. So yeah, it's a concern, but our immediate enemy just got donkey punched in the nuts, so I'm going to enjoy that for what it is.

I said before, in another thread. They come for us, we find a way to survive. We do for our own and we resist. We got lots of experience prevailing against superior tech, numbers and firepower. It's not how many time we get knocked down, it's how many times we get back up right? Your ship go boom, you get in another ship, undock and keep fighting.

(Just lost my first the other day. Poor lil Rifter. But I reshipped and got back out there.)

Hey, who's signing your paychecks now? Better cash 'em before the banks get closed.

“Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves.”

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#37 - 2015-08-22 16:58:33 UTC
And people wonder why we call them animals...

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#38 - 2015-08-22 16:59:29 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Jili Tonari wrote:


The Amarr culture is a culture of bullies. A new, bigger bully just came into the schoolyard and gave the first one a bloody nose. But we should feel sorry for them? No. We protect our own from the Drifters and we remember that we still have our people enslaved over there.

No abolition, no peace.

They are a dying race. Let them die.


The Drifters are NOT the Jove, Tonari, they have displayed no love, sympathy or even empathy for anything that is human and they have just alpha'd the Head of the largest state in New Eden whilst she was piloting the largest vessel in New Eden and being protected by the largest fleet in New Eden.

Politics aside, if this does anything other than concern you then you're a moron.

Instead of mouthing tired clliche, why don't you give some thought to what would happen if the Drifters "came for your people"?


We're already dealing with one Empire trying to eradicate our culture and our people. Adding another doesn't change what we have, what we can do or what we have to do. The Empress or Empire does not have our people's interests in mind, Drifters or not. Surrendering to the Empire won't protect our people against the Drifters or Empire, so our priorities remain unchanged.

This really shouldn't come as such a surprise.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#39 - 2015-08-22 17:05:44 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Now look what you've done. You've made Nauplius perturbed.

And when Nauplius is perturbed, millions of Minmatar die.


You really need to stop buying into the idea that he's at all competent. The last tower he put up, he claimed there were tens of thousands of slaves - there were five thousand. He can't even math.
Sinti Vailatti
Angelis Exploration
#40 - 2015-08-22 17:24:50 UTC
Just sayin,


But if you don't want us to be called a "lesser race who remain unwilling to accept their true place as servants of His will," maybe you should stop acting like one?

Jamyl gave us a chance to be better as a people, whether we live in Amarr or outside it, she was willing to free Matari who had grown, was willing and determined to help all of us, all people everywhere. Her life was cut short before she could complete that work.

Dancing on her grave doesn't make you a proud Matari, it makes you a willful, spoiled little child.

“Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?”