EVE General Discussion

Whats the idea behind super bling ships being immunized against PvP by HS sector rules, when all those rules do is impair everyone else's PvE in that system?

Also whats the idea in 10+ ships with uberbling fittings farming HS most lucrative activity with no PvP risk?

Should Incursion fleets fight each other for access to profit, as does everyone else in EVE?

Discuss.

Don't worry. Soon with Drifters and thier doomsday weapon replacing the Sansha as the villains in highsec incursions, bling boats will be a thing of the past.

I agree, a PvP solution would be more in keeping with the type of game Eve is, but I'll take guaranteed ship loss by way of NPCs as an alternative mechanism to increase risk.

Hopefully CCP will also tweak things to encourage more competition and less collusion by groups to farm in the upcoming incursion revamp.

If CCP didn't want player to farm incursion, they could of reduced the number to only 1 spawned in HS at a time max. It's almost like people think those stuff cannot be changed in the game and they stay as is just because they were made that way.

It probably will. Then people will figure out fits to maximise the completion time while minimizing the risk of ship loss to an acceptable level and the farming will resume.

How are any ships "immunized" in any way during an incursion that doesn't apply to any other ships? They function within the same rule set, nothing is different.

Also what sort of "fighting each other" do other PvE professions contain that you feel isn't present in an incursion? Having done a few I've found there is very little in the way of ship to ship combat in the content itself and the competition on the market with resources gained, ask and LP, is no different from other comparable activities.

Edit: Actually I would think Incursions allow for greater PvP through the ability to contest a fleet in a site and deny them any payout if you win and can be done in any site, while the same can't be said of shooting alongside someone at mission or anomaly rats.

@Black Pedro: That's still pretty speculative. It makes an interesting theory, but who knows the extent of the features intent. Time will tell I suppose.

Though if I had to speculate you were right, they simply won't be run outside of RP. It takes 1-2 hours of incursion running to buy and fit/rig a T1 BS depending on the fleet, after insurance that's still going to be about a half hour for a rigged BS. Unless these pay of a T2 fit T1 BS in the course of a couple sites, they're an isk loss on a personal level.

Maybe they'll work for groups that can manage pooling the isk and paying out after loss reimbursement, but the days of PUGs and farming would be more or less over.

The application of risk to blinged ships has always required players to work around or with security mechanics in any given space, why should Incursions be any different? Their ability to act with impunity only exist so long as other players allow it.

The NPC factor isn't there to add risk, but rather effort on the group as a whole for efficient completion.

The effect on local residents is irrelevant though as that has everything to do with mechanics outside of player control and nothing to do with the ships and players that run the incursion.

Ok, that's not incursion specific. A BS fleet with logi support has no reason to become more vulnerable for being in an incursion than anywhere else of similar security status.

This has nothing to do with the incursion runners as stated. These are the mechanics of the Incursion as created by CCP. And the effects described have no effect on the safety of the ships whatsoever.

They are very much a highsec rule set. Nothing is changed regarding aggression mechanics that allow other players to interfere. Rather, the only thing introduced is the ability to more effectively interfere by running the content in a competing group. Incursion mechanics allow more PvP, not less.

The possibility for PvP already exists as it does everywhere else. As stated above there is no reason a BS fleet with logi support should be made more vulnerable despite what system security suggest, nor does any other form of PvE make those that engage in it more susceptible to attack than they would be using the same ships and fits elsewhere.

Why should those transiting through or out of the constellation for no gain be penalized?

There's always a PVP risk.

It's not that it's high sec. It's that it's cheaper and safer for the risk averse elites to shoot barges, freighters and noobships. The PVP pilots with talent and skill go to low and null. The dregs stay in high sec and they'll never go after something that might shoot back.

Don't complain about high sec. Complain about the useless PVP pilots that choose to farm the helpless instead of looking for fights and taking a little risk once in a while.

Mr Epeen

What is preventing you from engaging in PvP with an incursion runner exactly?