Crime & Punishment

Okay, fair enough point. You are entirely free to qualify what constitutes a ruined day. It does however lack a bit of credulity that you would shed a tear over 15 minutes/10m isk that a catalyst represents. I can understand the failed objective thing, but since it's trivially easy to just pop another quarter into the "Gank Em All!" arcade machine, there is a lack of gravitas to each one generally; the only ones I could even believe capable of provoking, my day is ruined when the gank fails, are ones against known or hated enemies. Maybe you just have a lot of these, and that is probably a good thing.


Sure. I'll provide a few examples.

Say I'm a high sec missioner. Some punk comes into my mission and begins suspect baiting, with the intention of adding a shiny mission boat to his or her kill board. Either I have cloaked friends on grid, because I anticipated this, refit to be able to deal with the antagonists particular fit when they weren't looking, or even have offgrid logi or something. You can turn the situation around with some planning.

Say I'm newly settled into a null-sov area. There's some rapscallion that likes to dunk ratting ships, preventing me from earning my ISK and raising my sov indexes. My day is ruined as I cannot rat, but I could turn the tables by fitting a scram and a cyno, and have a chance at ruining her or his day. This becomes and even more interesting escalation of day-ruining if the hunter has a cyno also.

Now, I'm pretty sure you are just going to say that a fail-gank or a gank that doesn't happen in the first place is a day or event ruined. To some degree, you are right. On the other hand, the opportunity cost for a ganking fleet is so low that failures really don't amount to much, and certainly do not dissuade future attempts. So long as someone else is careless, you will probably get a kill. I totally understand that it would be poor design if they raised the opportunity cost to be too high, as then it would be too much of a fuss to maintain a credible threat level in Hi Sec.

Think of how much more fun the game would be if the mechanics allowed Pirates and white knight types to meaningfully guard or destroy people in High?

Right now CODE. and their ilk control Uedama and Niarja etc. What if an alliance could wardec a system? Think of the content cauldrons you could make these chokes into. No longer would the gankers be forced into arbitrary tactics where they are both forced to lose their ships, and are on grid and vulnerable for no more than like 15s. No longer would white knight types be limited in how to fight the evil ganking menace. Lots of people would absolutely deplore this, but in terms of being able to fight for either side? Sign me up!

Paradoxically (since their gameplay relies entirely on gankers existing to begin with) anti-gankers don't want more content, they want less.

While some anti-gankers do actually do it for fun and appreciate the existence of the gankers that enable their gameplay(some have even posted about it in the forum) many anti-gankers legitimately want ganking and highsec PVP content in general to not exist at all so they can instead pursue more righteous activities like running missions until they get bored and quit the game.

Telling us in C&P that tools that enable content generation would be good for highsec is preaching to the choir. This is quite specifically a community of people that understand that players generating conflict in all types of space is necessary for the game to be interesting, it's people who don't normally engage in that kind of gameplay and CCP that you need to convince, not us.

I fixed the glaring errors in your post with this handy summary.

If you don't believe me about the bizarre views of anti-gankers you should go hang out with them.

One of us will do that before AG does.

I thought that mechanic already existed, i.e. logi. Nothing prevents a fleet of basilisk white-knights from undocking and repping a freighter being ganked. Fleet repping has always been a meaningful way to guard someone, why would it be any different here?




Gankers are -10. That prevents them from staying too long in a single place, and they are free to be engaged by anyone to begin with. How would your proposed mechanic, change anything for the gankers? They will still only be on grid and vulnerable for 15 seconds.

In fact, your idea only benefits gankers, and skews the mechanics against Anti-gankers even further. It would be the same, except worse, for Anti-gankers.

Thats a terrible idea.

Why Hi Sec Gankers?

Because you won't go to Low Sec so players have started a home delivery service so you can partake in the full multiplayer experience.

It's a community service really. Like an outreach program.

Meh.

I just wanna say while I disagree with most of this, I like how Vic here posts constructively and doesn't rage out when a counterpoint is presented. Refreshing.

+1

I will say one thing. While I understand the lore regarding FacPo and maybe even their current usage. I still feel they stifle content creation, rather than assist it.

I would much rather see -10 players in space milling around, with other players attempting to attack them. Than have them docked up till action is required, due in no small part to the actions of FacPo.

It's one indicator of just how bad it can be, when NPC mechanics get to involved.

Now before anyone starts ranting about consequences blah blah blah. I've already pointed out I understand the lore etc. That isn't my point. I'm fine with consequences. In fact anyone who has lived life in Eve at -10, know all about them and accepted it early on.

It is horribly ineffective. The one time I flew with CODE in Uedama, the White Knights once dared us to take out a freighter that they 'had under their protection'. They had several shield logi ships actively repping it while it was being bumped off of gate. Loyalnon took up the challenge and we went in guns blazing.

That freighter, even with six shield logi ships furiously repping it, didn't stand a chance. It popped faster than Miley Cyrus' cherry. It was a sight to behold and was awe-inspiring to someone like me who had never ganked before in my Eve career. The White Knights were completely ineffective in protecting that ship, not sure how CCP can change the mechanics so other players could become relevant in the protection of a ship while being ganked.

Only thing I can think of is ganking CODE before they strike a freighter. Good luck with that though.