Crime & Punishment

Being opposed by AG only 10% of the time is AG fail. AG failing at attracting players and also retaining them in their toxic environment. But, even in that 10% of time AG is around, they still fail and gank targets explode anyway. That is the measure that leads to the "elite" stamp for gankers.




You're parroting the carebears' lie--which they so desperately want CCP to buy into--that there's no counter to the ebil gankers (thus "CCP we need One More Nerf (tm)"). Yet, it's proven carebears do just fine if they stop being AFK or whatever it is they do instead of actually looking at all the tools available to everyone, learning a little about mechanics, and maybe making a couple of friends to help once in a while (*gasp* Revis, how dare you suggest playing with others in an MMO??).

It's pretty entertaining to do something similar in a rail fit cormorant. Use the first fit in this link:

http://rvbeve.com/forums/index.php/topic/7597-longbows-doctrine/

Head to Uedama and the surrounding systems. If you see a CODE or minuluv machariel bumping a freighter, orbit the freighter at 45km. Separate your guns into single stacks. Watch dscan and when you see the catalyst/talos/brutix blob, get ready. Lock up as many of the blob's ships as you can and whore at will. You can make a modest amount of isk from farming the bounties and stealing the loot. Plus it's good fun.

Funny thing is, I can post this safe in the knowledge that 90% of the whiny carebears will ignore this info and continue to wah wah for one more nerf to high sec instead of turning it into entertaining content. In contrast, CODE and friends have always been good sports about it.

The only anger I ever attracted when I used to do this was, ironically, from the anti ganker crowd after I got bored and destroyed a venture and the pilot's pod. I convoed the person I killed and told him how to avoid the same thing happening again. The next day, the guy I killed joined my corp as he wanted to learn how to do the same thing to other people. We have remained friends ever since. Yet, according to the antiganker busybody who pestered me over it, I was 'worse than CODE'

Alternative course of action: train a ganking alt and fly with CODE. They're pretty welcoming and willing to help out newbies with advice. Know your enemy by becoming your enemy (even if it is temporary).

Well, I did start playing EVE then years later found myself driving an actual nuclear powered warship.

So obviously there must be a causal relationship between playing spaceship games and real life behavior.

I'm imagining someone creeping around the edge of an open pit mine with binoculars and a baseball bat grumbling that they all look like they're paying attention and doing things, not just standing perfectly still staring blankly at the dirt like EVE miners do.

Damn, hahaha. I spit out my friggin Crystal Light after reading that.

+100 for Vimsy

You can blow up gankers whenever you want. They're pretty much always legal targets in highsec and generally speaking either FACPO or CONCORD will help you do it.

If the fact that gankers fly cheap disposable spaceships of very little value then your argument really lies with CONCORD, FACPO and sentry guns. Gankers don't fly disposable spaceships because they want to, they do it because these mechanics render loss of literally any ship they fly inevitable within literally seconds of engaging.

The very protection mechanics in highsec are what make player enforcement and retaliation against gankers non-viable. NPCs do all the retaliation for you and they do it perfectly every single time, which means that retaliation is already taken into account by the gankers before they do anything.

There is a surefire, no BS way to avoid being ganked ever again:

Leave highsec.

There is no violation: ganking is the cornerstone on which the game was created. Ganking is not only a profession or an an activity, but is an actual game mechanic built into the game at a fundamental level. You will never be able to "stop" ganking because by definition ganking is just a game mechanic where everyone is at risk to another player willing to pay a certain cost.

That said, you can tweak the game so gankers themselves are put into more meaningful conflict with their targets. But as Vimsy pointed out, the reason gankers don't risk anything significant is because the mechanics are so absolutely and relentlessly punishing. There is no hope to outplay or outfly the faction police or CONCORD, so any decision is already predicated on the calculation the ship will be lost. There is no chance for a "good fight" and you either you succeed in destroying your target like a fish in a barrel, or you are caught and shot like a fish in a barrel by an anti-ganker and/or the faction police.

But fundamentally, you will not be able to "ruin a gankers day" without either putting in-station assets at risk, and probably not even then. Ganking is a cornerstone of the game, so you will never be able to add a mechanism by which a player can make themselves immune from it. This applies to the gankers as well. They are at the same risk as everyone else while earning ISK and moving assets. They can be scammed, shot, ganked and stolen from like everyone else. Saying that they are magically immune to having their day ruined is just plain wrong.

Totally understand, and that's part of the problem. Again, I am not against ganking at all, just that it is a tad one dimensional to never have 'ship' in the game. It's fantastic that danger is present everywhere, It is a good thing that gankers contribute to a healthy economy and content ecosystem, it's just a shame that mechanics leave it to be this boring is all, and this one sided.



Yeah, it does happen. There's a few dedicated people who will do cute things with jams or smartbombs, and I have had more than one of my ganks foiled by these people, providing much amusement. Generally, in my experience, it takes a week or so of dedicated ganking in an area to attract them, outside of known hubs. It's also entirely reactive - there's no way to take the fight to the gankers.

Even when you get podded, you awake in a magical station filled to the brim with more catalysts. Can you really say your day was ruined by the loss of a 15 minute GCC and, at most, a talos? Which is why I maintain that it is hilariously tilted.

I would wager that I have personally ganked more things than the average CODE. shill belching at me in this thread as well; even questioning the balance of mechanics apparently has me flagged as a rabid care bear. I know the trade very well, I have managed a ganking corporation, lead ganking fleets, and enjoyed the activity thoroughly. Anywhere else in space, there are things people can do to make me stop a given activity - ruin my plans, ruin my day. There is no such way they can do this to me as a ganker, not for long, and not enough to cause real damage, and that is a really dissonant thing with the whole day ruining paradigm.

You risk making it too expensive to gank in higher rated systems, which in turn then makes them too safe. This would not be a good change at all.