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Why High Sec Gankers?

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TenackAcki
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#181 - 2015-08-28 01:47:48 UTC
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
I saw TenackiAcki in AG channel today...he posted a couple Retriever kills to warn of ganks, and was promptly accused of being a CODE alt by at least one tinfoil in there. He's off to a promising start!


I don't recall any accusation of that nature tossed at me. If it was made behind my back than I call those individuals cowards for not saying it to my face.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#182 - 2015-08-28 05:51:53 UTC
TenackAcki wrote:
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
I saw TenackiAcki in AG channel today...he posted a couple Retriever kills to warn of ganks, and was promptly accused of being a CODE alt by at least one tinfoil in there. He's off to a promising start!


I don't recall any accusation of that nature tossed at me. If it was made behind my back than I call those individuals cowards for not saying it to my face.

You can speak behind someone's back in an ingame chat channel?
TenackAcki
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#183 - 2015-08-28 09:06:30 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
TenackAcki wrote:
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
I saw TenackiAcki in AG channel today...he posted a couple Retriever kills to warn of ganks, and was promptly accused of being a CODE alt by at least one tinfoil in there. He's off to a promising start!


I don't recall any accusation of that nature tossed at me. If it was made behind my back than I call those individuals cowards for not saying it to my face.

You can speak behind someone's back in an ingame chat channel?

I was referring to private chats, or chat channels I was not in.
Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#184 - 2015-08-28 09:14:43 UTC
Mate, you were accused of being a spy, proper opsec about suspected spies would involve privately voicing your concerns, not announcing it to the world. And besides, in calling them cowards here for not calling you out to your face you have just done exactly what you called them cowards for doing, not calling them out to their face. The only honourable and not hypocritical thing to do is to go back to AG chat and insult them to their faces

There once was a ganker named tisi

A stunningly beautiful missy

To gank a gross miner

There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy

Avvy
Doomheim
#185 - 2015-08-28 10:21:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
TenackAcki wrote:
I did not state how long I been playing to put any weight behind me. I was only stating my opinion and my experience. Neither mine or yours hold any weight.

Yes, perhaps it is not. I did not join a came where I was forced to PVP, where I was forced to kill everyone I see. I wanted to join a came where I had options and choices and could forge a path through peace and industry. I wanted a game where I could form bonds with people and trust them. I see now this game is just slaughter fest simulator. As per EVE: If you choose not to PVP than you are nothing but a target. This game only wants killers, and let anarchy and death reign. Shame to any who wish for peace.


I would say it is hard to truly defend against an ambush.



You joined a PvP game and expected to play PvE style as you would on PvE servers in other games.

You must see what's actually wrong with that.



You can still form bonds with players in a PvP game.

If you choose not to PvP in EvE you are just a target, but no more a target than if you chose to PvP.

The universe at peace in a war/conflict game means it wouldn't be a war/conflict game. With universal peace you may as well be playing a Sims game.
Dsparil
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#186 - 2015-08-28 12:01:29 UTC
Wow. Epic thread o' tears! damn. haha.
Amanda Rekenwhith
Safeties On Red
#187 - 2015-08-29 22:18:11 UTC
When faced with adversity, one needs to decide are they the type who will rise above it and adapt or are they the type who will quit and pout about how life isn't fair because they don't get their way. What kind of player do you want to be?

For dessert we're offering humble pie.  Would you like some after you're done eating crow?

Malt Zedong
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#188 - 2015-08-30 22:39:22 UTC
I know a guy that knows a guy who were ganked only once in almost a decade playing EVE, from the time you had those SinCity cartonish style profile fotos. And that guy said the way you avoid ganking most of the times is very simple: Shut up and do your thing. You avoid trouble by foreseeing trouble, not by "foreheading" trouble.

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Sargeant HAmmer
Caldari Star Industries Co
#189 - 2015-09-03 22:40:29 UTC
I have been away for over 4 years and decided to give eve a go again, its not cheap and I dont have the cash to splash to play really (although I am).

So changes.


  • Trit prices doubled
  • A bounty system that's now pointless
  • High sec asteroid belt patrollers


So I can cope with trit prices, it always seems like theres never enough.
A new bounty system, never used it, doesnt bother me, doesnt affect my gameplay.
High sec asteroid belt patrollers... Right. You "own" high sec do you (as claimed on that crappy website of "the code", completely ripped out of pirates of the caribbean)?

So I put this to you, so called high sec patrolling people.

What happens when the miners are gone? Yes there are a few who will pay your fees for a peaceful life but as also stated on your website, you still control if they can mine somewhere or not (pointless paying).

So I will answer what will happen when they are gone.

Minerals become rarer and prices go up, the game becomes unplayable and then people leave the game, ccp/eve online starts to shutdown and the game has to stop running because the number of subscribers drops below a sustainable level.

Basically by preventing the peaceful ones in high sec from creating minerals, you alone will be the games demise.

I played minecraft when there were only 200,000 registered accounts and saw the games rise. The game suffered from a massive influx of griefers which seems to be a major problem in almost ALL online games now. Those who get fed up of their creations or peaceful intentions being destroyed, leave and look for new ways to create. I don't mine but I will be watching to see how this pans out and may end up never returning if I leave again.

Moon Moon Burdy
New Eden Tech Support
#190 - 2015-09-03 22:56:36 UTC
I have a question. Is this what a Nitshe alt profile looks like?

Date of Birth: 2006-06-09 18:07
First Forum Visit: 2015-09-03 22:26
Number of Posts: 1


Things that went boom

Storytime with Moon Moon New stories semi frequently-ish!

Promising Young Murderer, Education Appreciated.

Paranoid Loyd
#191 - 2015-09-03 23:55:43 UTC
Maybe, but it's more likely that's what the profile of someone who has no clue what they are talking about looks like.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#192 - 2015-09-04 07:15:34 UTC
Sargeant HAmmer wrote:
I have been away for over 4 years and decided to give eve a go again, its not cheap and I dont have the cash to splash to play really (although I am).

So changes.


  • Trit prices doubled
  • A bounty system that's now pointless
  • High sec asteroid belt patrollers


So I can cope with trit prices, it always seems like theres never enough.
A new bounty system, never used it, doesnt bother me, doesnt affect my gameplay.
High sec asteroid belt patrollers... Right. You "own" high sec do you (as claimed on that crappy website of "the code", completely ripped out of pirates of the caribbean)?

So I put this to you, so called high sec patrolling people.

What happens when the miners are gone? Yes there are a few who will pay your fees for a peaceful life but as also stated on your website, you still control if they can mine somewhere or not (pointless paying).

So I will answer what will happen when they are gone.

Minerals become rarer and prices go up, the game becomes unplayable and then people leave the game, ccp/eve online starts to shutdown and the game has to stop running because the number of subscribers drops below a sustainable level.

Basically by preventing the peaceful ones in high sec from creating minerals, you alone will be the games demise.

I played minecraft when there were only 200,000 registered accounts and saw the games rise. The game suffered from a massive influx of griefers which seems to be a major problem in almost ALL online games now. Those who get fed up of their creations or peaceful intentions being destroyed, leave and look for new ways to create. I don't mine but I will be watching to see how this pans out and may end up never returning if I leave again.



When you leave, can you contract all your stuff and isk to me? Would greatly appreciate it.

But you will not be missed.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#193 - 2015-09-04 09:32:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Sargeant HAmmer wrote:

What happens when the miners are gone? Yes there are a few who will pay your fees for a peaceful life but as also stated on your website, you still control if they can mine somewhere or not (pointless paying).
Hello miner! I'll take a crack at answering your questions. First, I think you need to re-read the Code as it seems you are still under several misconceptions. The Code quite clearly sets out the purpose and objective of the New Order of Highsec. You'll notice that the goals are not to eliminate highsec mining, but rather to save highsec miners from themselves. It is a document designed to increase the general caliber of the highsec miner, and help integrate them a into the greater Eve community.

The Code only prohibits certain types of mining, mining that is detrimental to the player and more generally to the game itself. The Code comes down hard on bot, and bot-like mining behaviour which has the benefit of increasing ore prices for compliant miners (you should be thanking the New Order for in part raising value of tritanium and improving the ISK/h of those new highsec miners just joining the game) as well as promoting social interactions in the highsec asteroid belts. Also, the Code also demands miners conduct themselves respectfully, politely, and with deference to the elected and legal authority of highsec, James 315 and his designated agents.

If you follow the rules, and have yourself a valid permit, you can mine as you have before in New Order territory (all systems with a security status of 0.5 or higher). Just remember to treat that space as you would anyone's house you are a guest in and you'll be fine.

I will also point out that the New Order of Highsec only controls, well highsec. That is only about 1200 of the ~8000 systems in Eve, the majority of which contain asteroid belts or ore anomolies. That means 85% of the systems in New Eden you can mine free of the civilizing rules imposed by New Order. By no means do we have a economic stranglehold on all the ore so your fears that mining will stop are quite unfounded.



Sargeant HAmmer wrote:
So I will answer what will happen when they are gone.

Minerals become rarer and prices go up, the game becomes unplayable and then people leave the game, ccp/eve online starts to shutdown and the game has to stop running because the number of subscribers drops below a sustainable level.

Basically by preventing the peaceful ones in high sec from creating minerals, you alone will be the games demise.

Again, your fears are unfounded. Mining is allowed in highsec, as long as you follow the rules, but there is also plenty of ore in this game outside of New Order territory. Ore and minerals are by no means rare, and by making it more valuable you are actually buffing the income of the poor miners who risk permanent injury buy repetitively clicking their lasers on and staring blankly at the beam for many minutes while doing nothing. Such dangerous and tedious work deserves some additional hazard pay.

It seems unlikely to me that driving conflict and making highsec asteroid and ice belts a more interesting place is going to result in the game's demise. If anything, it is making Eve a more engaging experience, and CCP has recently released data that supports this view.

Sargeant HAmmer wrote:
I played minecraft when there were only 200,000 registered accounts and saw the games rise. The game suffered from a massive influx of griefers which seems to be a major problem in almost ALL online games now. Those who get fed up of their creations or peaceful intentions being destroyed, leave and look for new ways to create. I don't mine but I will be watching to see how this pans out and may end up never returning if I leave again.
Hmm. Seems like you are a little confused about what kind of game this is. Griefing is not allowed in Eve Online. There are strict rules against it in fact. However, PvP, even of the non-consensual variety is allowed, and is also allowed in highsec. Shooting another player there is intended game play, even if they don't bother to protect themselves - it is what makes building things in this game, and losing them, have meaning. If you don't like having your stuff shot, well then perhaps Minecraft would be a better place for you.
Price Prince
State War Academy
Caldari State
#194 - 2015-09-04 13:02:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Price Prince
Highsec Ganking is far from being an easy game. It requires a lot of abilities, management and concentration.I Saw marmite doing ,this job for years, as Freight Club and now CODE. They are good in their own gameplay and everyone should respect that.

The only problem I can see with CODE. is "**** talk". They elevate ****-talking to an art. Smacking, griefing, taunting, no matter you call that. They constantly pour out tons of manure on peoples, staying just above the limits not to be banned.
In normal case I believe that could be a way to force peoples to over react and force them to do wrongs things. But frankly now it surpass everything I've heard in 6 years of EVE. It has come to a point I have blocked almost them all (things I didn't do usually) to manage my anger. :)

So whats the point about that ? Why being so ugly, why this continual flow of free nastiness ? Is it a part of their code of conduct ?
Or are they all grumpy teens with toothaches problems, hating humanity . That should be weird indeed, and one of them told me they were cool guys in their own chan.
Could we have some explanations on this particular point ? because it seems so strange to me, totally and definitely bizarre.
being such completely apart. Peoples applying to Code. take a grief exam ?

I'm not a lamb, myself. My main kills regularly, indus, barges,… when I tackle a freighter, I salivate and call mates to participate
and when Its done a "gf" is the only taunt I allow myself. So again, why this tremendous hate ? is it a real part of CODE. role,
or are they really haters ?

I'm sincerely curious but I bet i will not have any response :)
Otherwise keep up the good work on ganking…

Sorry for my awful English
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#195 - 2015-09-04 13:22:51 UTC
Sargeant HAmmer wrote:
What happens when the miners are gone?


That won't happen. If enough miners quit EvE then mineral prices will go through the roof. Income from mining would soon become superior to incursions and then lots of people, probably myself included, would take up mining Big smile
Bellatrix Invicta
Doomheim
#196 - 2015-09-04 14:17:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Bellatrix Invicta
Price Prince wrote:
Highsec Ganking is far from being an easy game. It requires a lot of abilities, management and concentration.I Saw marmite doing ,this job for years, as Freight Club and now CODE. They are good in their own gameplay and everyone should respect that.

The only problem I can see with CODE. is "**** talk". They elevate ****-talking to an art. Smacking, griefing, taunting, no matter you call that. They constantly pour out tons of manure on peoples, staying just above the limits not to be banned.
In normal case I believe that could be a way to force peoples to over react and force them to do wrongs things. But frankly now it surpass everything I've heard in 6 years of EVE. It has come to a point I have blocked almost them all (things I didn't do usually) to manage my anger. :)

So whats the point about that ? Why being so ugly, why this continual flow of free nastiness ? Is it a part of their code of conduct ?
Or are they all grumpy teens with toothaches problems, hating humanity . That should be weird indeed, and one of them told me they were cool guys in their own chan.
Could we have some explanations on this particular point ? because it seems so strange to me, totally and definitely bizarre.
being such completely apart. Peoples applying to Code. take a grief exam ?

I'm not a lamb, myself. My main kills regularly, indus, barges,… when I tackle a freighter, I salivate and call mates to participate
and when Its done a "gf" is the only taunt I allow myself. So again, why this tremendous hate ? is it a real part of CODE. role,
or are they really haters ?

I'm sincerely curious but I bet i will not have any response :)
Otherwise keep up the good work on ganking…

Sorry for my awful English


It's a role-playing game. Do the math. If you're getting so upset over pixels that you have to actually block an entire alliance it's time to re-evaluate your commitment to RL.

If you think you've won, think again.

The CODE always wins.

Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#197 - 2015-09-04 14:38:00 UTC
Simple answer to OP.....

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

And roast marshmallows.
Price Prince
State War Academy
Caldari State
#198 - 2015-09-04 15:41:14 UTC
Bellatrix Invicta wrote:


It's a role-playing game. Do the math. If you're getting so upset over pixels that you have to actually block an entire alliance it's time to re-evaluate your commitment to RL.


That does not respond to any of my questions…obviously

I dont do RP in Eve, and thanks anyway for your concern about my commitment to RL :) … coming from a guy that spent hours everyday heavily pouring out turds in local its very refreshing :))
Sargeant HAmmer
Caldari Star Industries Co
#199 - 2015-09-04 15:44:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Sargeant HAmmer
Moon Moon Burdy wrote:
I have a question. Is this what a Nitshe alt profile looks like?

Date of Birth: 2006-06-09 18:07
First Forum Visit: 2015-09-03 22:26
Number of Posts: 1



New forum, old posts wiped, not an alt.

If you're really that bothered, contact ccp and ask when they changed the forums

http://eve.battleclinic.com/browse_loadouts.php?filters%5Bauthors%5D%5B0%5D=32871
Sargeant HAmmer
Caldari Star Industries Co
#200 - 2015-09-04 15:52:18 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
Hello miner!

Not a miner