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[Galatea] First batch of sov capture iterations

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bear mcgreedy
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#301 - 2015-08-19 11:11:28 UTC
If you insist on this entosis bull make it so these so called small gang warfare can happen

remove the ceptor idea totally its bull no major entity wants it 0.0 it doesn't create content, as command ships are not used due to t3 boosters make it so the command ships can entosis maybe review the bonuses that it gets a hp boost while in entosis mode (similar to bastion on marauder) also make it so the entosising ship can also receive reps. but can be jammed or the cycle can be itterupted to reset the timer

alternatively look at t3 having a subsystem which means it can entosis but make it so the subsystem is the same as nullified so to stop them be able to warp off while bubbled.

the whole idea of taking sov is that as an attacker you want that system not for sh*ts and giggles by having a command ship have the entosis link it means that you have more to lose by travelling through hostile systems with support this will be seen by hostile scouts be reported and a fleet will be scattered to go intercept why ? because content is created and kms to be had.

look at every single video ccp has made when you have a so called fight every ship has support in a hostile system im waiting cor the new trailer where you just have one ceptor going around the system for 3 minutes

take the ceptor idea and throw it away before you either get fired or get made redundant fozzie..

afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#302 - 2015-08-19 11:11:46 UTC
Atum' Ra wrote:
afkalt wrote:

Stop trying to claim more space than you can defend, you bunch of bads.


Stop atack the space which you can't claim. Only trololo ceptor you can and nothig more!
Create an alliance, gather the fleet, build carriers in low-sec and attack!


Sorry, it aint going to work like that. you don't get to hold sov afk and with the thread of supers of doom any more.

Adapt, or fade into insignificance. The choice is yours, no-one elses.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#303 - 2015-08-19 11:15:18 UTC
Wolfensrevenge wrote:
afkalt wrote:
Wolfensrevenge wrote:
You can just burn away as soon as someone comes in local to defend. No risk for attacker at all


I wasn't aware you LIVED in a system whilst NOT being there. That's some impressive shitposting right there.

There is no risk for an attacker if no-one is there. WORKING AS INTENDED.



If the system has no stations can you live there ??? Is that the new meta just staying in the same ship in a pos or cloaked all day in a system that is not suitable for CTA formups I guess we should have people AFK cloaked in every system we have any pos in. EVE do you Play it ???? You are the cancer killing this game.


Hah.

You think you have problems? Wait until the wormholes guys get citadels where even one jump from home can disappear in a blink and you don't have local to spot interlopers. Those guys will need to put alts not just in system, but on EVERY grid of EVERY citadel.

The full expectation of WHers are you LIVE in the system, the system which has inconsistent anoms, no local, no stations....but yeah, you guys are hard done by here.

You're full of first world problems here bro.
Warmeister
Tactical Farmers.
Tactical Farmers
#304 - 2015-08-19 11:16:35 UTC
Atum' Ra wrote:
Fozzie is that a joke?
Where the real changes?
The creation of alliance cost 1 billion
One system cost 1 ceptor (about 50 millions)
Where is logic?

in order to be able to contest sov ceptor needs to be in alliance
so the pilot needs to pay same 1b

now when a pilot in said ceptor comes to capture a system that no one turned up to defend, he puts on the field 50m more than defender did.

that's the logic.
Mischa Gau'ss Tesla
The Night Watchmen
Goonswarm Federation
#305 - 2015-08-19 11:16:56 UTC
From my point of view, fozzie sov has just been a miss for now:
Before it, taking a system was starting a war, putting major fleets, firepower, a lot of man and effort on taking big objectives. Taking a system was something, you had to fight for it... Now, people just come with one or two fast ships and orbit a sov structure 250k off... no fighting, no strategy, no effort.

What i liked and still like in eve is it's variety, and a thing that has been removed by fozzie is the actual BIG part of eve, two (or more) alliances fighting in huge fleets to get control of space. This is the so called blobbing, which is, even if you don't like it, a way of playing. Small gang always existed in ganking, factional warfare,... big fight just tend to disappear, just like dread, titans and other carriers will become useless (which is a shame, fighting around those ships is interesting, the fact they need support fleets making giving the fight a great aspect and making coordination critical).

Empires where build by man followed by a thousands, not by some lonely pilot orbiting in a system. People like TLOTR because of it's big epic fights, star wars because of the huge fleets fighting around the deathstar; and the efforts of Frodon and Luke were supported by a lot of lives, they did not just took the control by themselves!

Fozzie sov on an other hand offers good ideas, but in a bad way. If entosis was limited to the biggest classes of ships, if there were a risk to take to entosis a system then it could be good... fozzie sov just need to bring the meaning of war back to new eden, for now, it just takes the meaning of "run".

My suggestions:
- limit entosis to bigger ships (BC's ad over);
- bring back the fight, for example by giving "control points" when an ennemy entosis ship is destroyed, or just for destroying ennemies,... plenty of ideas can be used here, just think about it BEFORE releasing the new system...

What is bad in actual system:
- one lonely interceptor or recon can still entosis a system while being hard to catch... just because of speed and range;
- no fights for a system, in most of the case it is just a time attack;
- the actual system seems to not have been thought through...

Oh and before some whiners say it: yes, i'm from the imperium/cfc, and yes, I see blobbing as a way of playing, and yes, number is a force, that i think should be the most important in a mmo (MASSIVELY MULTIplayer online ;) ).

Ty for your reading! o7
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#306 - 2015-08-19 11:17:47 UTC
Alphaomega21 wrote:
If you want to truly fix the sovereignty system once and for all remove it completely and base who's name is on the map by the alliance who has the greatest number of pilots out in space. Then you can start working on the problem of making 0.0 worth fighting over. Maybe by buffing moons so alliances can have an income source that is worth taking.


Managed to be funnier than all the CFC salt. Post of the day.

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager

Lena Lazair
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#307 - 2015-08-19 11:18:58 UTC
Wolfensrevenge wrote:
BTW i found a way to stop troll T3's that are interdiction nullified and cloaky...But I was warned that i would be banned if i continued....Thanks CCP fun times.


Good job for discovering a decloaking tactic that's been around (and bannable if it affects server performance) since 2006. It has nothing to do with fozziesov and nothing to do with this thread.


Sigras
Conglomo
#308 - 2015-08-19 11:19:59 UTC
Reagalan wrote:
I'm saying this as nicely as possible. Fozziesov is a broken and fundamentally flawed system. No amount of tweaking will ever make it work as well as either of the two previous sov systems.

Fozziesov is not engaging for the average fleet member, who has to wait around while the magical sov hackers do all the work. Under Dominion sov, your average fleet member got to contribute via DPS, and at least got killmails at the end.

Fozziesov is not fun for a sov defender, who has to race to defend buffer zones from entities who have no intention of actually taking your space, or holding it, or even using it.

It's not fun to chase interceptors around. This has also been a problem as far back as since interceptors recieved bubble immunty which was also one of the worst design decisions in the history of Eve.

I have 2 objections to to this line of thinking:

1. Later on in your own post you state that Eve is not a game that is meant to be fun, so why are you using the "fun" argument now?
2. I'm not sure if you were playing a different game than I was, but structure bashing was one of the most insufferable things we were forced to do on a regular basis. The only thing worse was a RR op. Sure the Entosis mechanic isnt any better but it certainly isnt any worse than before either.
Reagalan wrote:
Fozziesov lacks permanence. Under Dominion sov, losing a system was potentially, for all intents and purposes, permanent. It could potentially fall into a timezone from which you would never be able to take it back. Under Fozziesov, you can lose systems and take them back later. Losing your space therefore has far less value. There is less on the line.

I'm not sure I understand... Isnt the risk the same that your system could fall to an alliance with a vulnerability window outside your TZ?
Reagalan wrote:
Fozziesov discourages fighting because it does not force an entity to control a grid in order to win an objective. Ironically, this was one of the stated goals of the system. It discourages fighting because there is no need to commit anything more to win an objective than a single sovhacker.

Here I completely agree, I believe the Entosis links should have their cycle timer extended at the very least.
Reagalan wrote:
The ADMs of Fozziesov aim to restrict the size of a space empire on the concept of "occupancy sov". In hindsight, "occupancy sov" was a misguided and flawed concept. The size of a space empire should not be limited to the amount of space it can utilize, but by the military pressure exerted by the other players and their space empires.

This is quite convenient coming from a member of the largest military force in the game... "Peace is having a bigger stick than the other guy" says the guy selling the sticks.
Reagalan wrote:
The only solution to the problems of Fozziesov is to scrap the whole thing, return to Dominion sov, and iterate upon a proven system.

Need I remind you the problems your own alliance had with the Dominion sov system? I remember listening to your directors whine about how "CCP really screwed up this sovereignty system" In fact Goonswarm claimed that was one of the reasons you lost Delve to IT Alliance.

Look, I'll be the first one to say that this system needs work. At the very least the module cycle time should be made longer to force a ship to commit to the fight, but let's not get graduation goggles and make ridiculous claims like saying the old system was fun and engaging.
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#309 - 2015-08-19 11:21:20 UTC
Suitonia wrote:
Allawa Phantom wrote:
like what the **** kind of fix is this? 4K isnt a limit most ships you cant even get to 4K. Even with an over-sized propmod.

What CCP has done here is made Torll Ceptors More Trolly. The 4M limit will INCREASE the amount of Troll Hacking Which is the UNDER LYING PROBLEM with this sov system.


An Atron with a single overdrive can break 4km/s, and catch troll ceptors now.



Quit making ******* sense, they don't understand, nor comprehend that
Andre Lvov
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#310 - 2015-08-19 11:22:39 UTC
afkalt wrote:



Stop trying to claim more space than you can defend, you bunch of bads.


CCP Fozzie & FOZZISOV---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHcXlyhgzHM

̶C̶C̶P̶ ̶F̶o̶z̶z̶i̶e̶ & ̶F̶O̶Z̶Z̶I̶S̶O̶V̶---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvB2nRGMl2c

______________________________________________________________

CCP Fozzie - ASSASSIN EVE Online ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Lena Lazair
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#311 - 2015-08-19 11:22:54 UTC
Eli Apol wrote:
Alphaomega21 wrote:
If you want to truly fix the sovereignty system once and for all remove it completely and base who's name is on the map by the alliance who has the greatest number of pilots out in space. Then you can start working on the problem of making 0.0 worth fighting over. Maybe by buffing moons so alliances can have an income source that is worth taking.


Managed to be funnier than all the CFC salt. Post of the day.


Funny because accurate. CCP's true sov mistake was ever giving in to the requests to make sov an "in-game" thing. Should have just kept adding more API endpoints to facilitate out-of-game tools being able to decide for themselves who "owns" a system. It's easy enough to fix now though... just remove TCU's entirely and drop sov requirements on supercap assembly arrays so they can be anchored in any system with a gate (since we don't want filthy wormholers having supercaps).
Drie L
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#312 - 2015-08-19 11:31:26 UTC
CCP Fozzie / FOZZISOV + EvE Online = DEATH EvE Online
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#313 - 2015-08-19 11:31:56 UTC
Andre Lvov wrote:
afkalt wrote:



Stop trying to claim more space than you can defend, you bunch of bads.


CCP Fozzie & FOZZISOV---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHcXlyhgzHM

̶C̶C̶P̶ ̶F̶o̶z̶z̶i̶e̶ & ̶F̶O̶Z̶Z̶I̶S̶O̶V̶---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvB2nRGMl2c

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CCP Fozzie - ASSASSIN EVE Online ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !



If you want another B-R, you are welcome to YOLO your supers into CFC space. I GUARANTEE the epic tidi fest you were hoping for would occur.

But you won't, will you? So how bad do you really want these fights? Because you could make them happen no problem at all.

Or is this more about not being able to hold a stupid amount of space for a very small headcount? I feel like you're throwing out white noise to distract form the fact you have a stupid number of systems and a stupidly lower headcount to hold them.
Speedkermit Damo
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#314 - 2015-08-19 11:33:21 UTC
5pitf1re wrote:
Nevil Kincade wrote:
Allawa Phantom wrote:
I Smell MOA Tears

Its really ironic how the entities who say this system is brilliant is the trolls who run around and entosis stuff then run at the first sight of danger


We are not trolls, we fight CFC every day with great success and you know it.
It's bad enough that the blob of garbage forces it's pvp style on so many players but the political bullshit going even into game design is a danger to Eve as a product.


Yep, that's why numbers started dwindling at a disturbing rate ever since fozziesov hit TQ. It must be because it is such a great success and of course all we want is to destroy the game by having the cause of EVE's dwindling numbers reverted.

Hang on, I'm confused now ...


Numbers have been dwindling since long before Fozziesov and even Phoebe.

Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.

Andre Lvov
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#315 - 2015-08-19 11:45:45 UTC
afkalt wrote:
Andre Lvov wrote:
afkalt wrote:



Stop trying to claim more space than you can defend, you bunch of bads.


CCP Fozzie & FOZZISOV---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHcXlyhgzHM

̶C̶C̶P̶ ̶F̶o̶z̶z̶i̶e̶ & ̶F̶O̶Z̶Z̶I̶S̶O̶V̶---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvB2nRGMl2c

______________________________________________________________

CCP Fozzie - ASSASSIN EVE Online ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !



If you want another B-R, you are welcome to YOLO your supers into CFC space. I GUARANTEE the epic tidi fest you were hoping for would occur.

But you won't, will you? So how bad do you really want these fights? Because you could make them happen no problem at all.

Or is this more about not being able to hold a stupid amount of space for a very small headcount? I feel like you're throwing out white noise to distract form the fact you have a stupid number of systems and a stupidly lower headcount to hold them.


I think you’re wrong .
Andre Lvov
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#316 - 2015-08-19 11:47:54 UTC
CCP Fozzie kill EVE .
Andre Lvov
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#317 - 2015-08-19 11:50:37 UTC
CCP Fozzie - shame CCP .
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#318 - 2015-08-19 11:50:45 UTC
Well I await the battle reports of you YOLOing supers around into CFC space then.

There is nothing stopping doing this you but your own trappings of fear.

Note I shall not be holding my breath for this fight, as it will never happen and that has exactly nothing to do with aegis sov and EVERYTHING to do with your own risk aversion winning out over a sense of fun.

You see, you *****, cry, scream and yell like petulant children about these great battles, which if you were so inclined could happen this weekend if you really wanted. But you DON'T really want this and the complaints and parallels have NOTHING to do with the new system.

You're crying because you're too thinly spread and too pigheaded to do anything about it but cry.

The very least you can do, is be honest about it.
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
WE FORM V0LTA
#319 - 2015-08-19 11:53:44 UTC
Speedkermit Damo wrote:
5pitf1re wrote:
Yep, that's why numbers started dwindling at a disturbing rate ever since fozziesov hit TQ. It must be because it is such a great success and of course all we want is to destroy the game by having the cause of EVE's dwindling numbers reverted.

Hang on, I'm confused now ...


Numbers have been dwindling since long before Fozziesov and even Phoebe.

I actually want Goons to make good on their threats and mass-quit the game. Every time I see one of them threatening to cancel their sub, I feel like egging them on. Hell, let the entire CFC vanish in smoke. I'd love to see the look on their faces when they realise they aren't nearly as vital to this game as they think they are.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Andre Lvov
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#320 - 2015-08-19 11:54:03 UTC
FOZZISOV It is a big failure CCP Fozzie .