Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There is no tanking the blob. I believe fiddling with hit points won't matter. Armor tanks are "lame" because they slow ships down to annoying levels. It's all about the mass and the way EVE deals with that. Because greater mass means greater resistance to changes in velocity, right? I say reduce the effect of webs against armoured ships (plates and/or trimarks). It's harder to get going therefore it's harder to pin down.

Who cares for webs against a triple trimarked, twin plated Abaddon? Nobody! It's not going anywhere anyhow. You have to try to fly one of those. It's painful. It really is. There's no point slowing them down anymore than the lazy butts they already are.

Webifier efficiency reduction against armoured boats is a good way to balance the odds without denaturing the intent of plates vs shield extenders philosophy.

ninjaedit: T2 plates have less mass etc etc

+1 nice work sir.

Just going to bump this once...would like to hear more input!

There could be constraints what plates can be put on certain hull, and besides mass addition and number of slots available, plates could be subject to diminishing returns as well, maybe not in amount of HP gained, but in agility loss or something like that.

From the fiction point of view, ships we fly in are designed to meet some real-world needs, and have limitations as well, so they shouldn't have the ability multiple armor plates to be fixed to them without drawbacks. Smaller plates designed for smaller hulls should maybe work better on them too.

From the balance and game point of view, that will make smaller plates usable.

And about op proposal, armor plates really need fixing, so meta4 isn't better than T2 and faction stuff.
There are too faction armor hardeners which aren't better than T2 variants (I think Federation/Imperial Navy Armor Hardeners, etc).

CCP's original design was to have the armor plates HP bonus very with Meta lvl, so I didn't want to go changing that.

I do feel that the current mass additions are too high, but in reality there just isn't going to be enough possible variation across the levels for it to mean squat to a pilot actually fitting the plate, but the difference in HP would.

I also do not agree with the PG and CPU fittings needing to be changed. These ships have had their base statistics designed around certain fits and the impossibility of certain fits, I do not think that doing and making it easier to fit plates is something that CCP is going to warm up to with all things being equal. I could see that being part of a more substantial overhaul of armor tanking in general, but I cannot say that that is needed right now.

The name 'regenerative' plating is certainly a misnomer and it Would be very interesting to see how things would change if such a mod did actually provide some passive armor generation, (and maybe it did, in the alpha, I know it didn't when I joined the beta) but the dichotomy between armor and shield tanking seems to be set firm with the inability of armor to regenerate itself, hence the ability for most ships to more easily add armor HP (Issue being the reduction of speed). What I believe is the True issue right now, and maybe the only one worth changing without consideration to any other elements of tanking, is the HP bonus of plates. They just make no sense, are too low at the 50,100,200mm levels, and cannot justify their fitting. At the high level, the 800mm plate is also not used enough an penalizes ships too much for what it gives. 1600mm plates are the least worrisome, but they should be placed in line with the rubric of these other changes to give some uniformity to the whole thing. AND, giving T2 plates a use is really the goal here. Plus, EVERY faction armor mod is better than T1/T2...except armor plates. That alone is reason enough for the faction changes.