Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The carriers and supers, why could someone make the automatic assumption that you need them for seizing sov space? Well,... the answer is a bit simple, because you need them in case the defender brings remote repping capitals/supers.

Perhaps a problem lies in there. For any ship smaller than a capital, the rock paper scissor principle works. But soon as capitals are on the field, the paper and the scissor turns into rocks or stones (supers).

There is no efficient way to counter supers with subcaps unless there is a 4 to 1 blob of them. And that encourage blobbing and is ISK discriminating.
The jumpfatique correction were just sort off a symptom curing, and not a cause curing.

Dropping capitals without the proper support should be punishable.



Dear CCP, it is time for a battleship sized anti-capital bomber.

I agree. If I bring a bunch of subcapitals to fight a hundred supercaps, I shouldn't be able to kill them all, but I think I should be able to at least suicide into one.

Supers should be invincible. They cost way too much to lose. If I'm flying a 30 billion isk ship "I WIN" should be seeping out of every nook and crany. I should also get a magical invincible hangar where I can place it and fly other ships and have fun knowing it will always be there waiting for me. I paid to win damnit - I DESERVE TO WIN.

This is a common misconception among people who dont understand good game design theory. More expensive does not equal strictly better otherwise the people who win are the people with the most ISK. Everything should have a counter that isnt "bring more ISK to the fight"


Those are the numbers for a lone titan against a fleet... In a real battle, you have 30-60 carriers with RR keeping the titan alive and bouncing cap between each other to negate neuts.

The problem isnt and has never been small groups of cap ships. The problem is that en masse, cap ship groups break the game because their large amount of HP is resistant to alpha strike, and their ability to RR each other far outstrips any reasonable sub-capital counter.

I'd suggest that cap transfers of over 100% efficiency are a problem here as well as on other places.

mini-cap-hic sounds great!

While ISK correlates good with power, it is not a garanteee to win. however when stakes are high, suddenly it is nearly equal.

Immunity to Ewar is the problem. imho caps need support.
(this might also be an incentive for late-gamers to train newbros to fly that precious maulus)

How are you adjusting bombs to not make this half assed return of the Titan AOE DD, now on smaller cheapers ships for more fun OP? Drop these cap/super killers...on a vanilla bs subcap fleet. Watch them go booooom!

You can't have bombs be harmless to sub caps to favor cap/super killing.


Sooooo....just how would this new BS be not used like a AOE spam weapon of doom to any sub cap fleet as well.

Now you might say new bomb.


Okay...your homework assignment. How does this new bomb not wipe a sub cap like a rokh with 500 mn MWD II but hurts an archon. this...I'd like you to work out. The archon has a lower sig radius....run a fitting tool to see for yourself.

because capital ships need a counter, and if the only counter to capital ships is MORE capital ships than whoever has the MOST capital ships has an uncounterable force.

RTS players understand that AOE is the best way to counter blobs. For as smart as Eve players usually are, why do you people continue to have such problems understanding this?

I dont mean wild, haphazard, bring-back-the-old-DD, grid-clearing AOE; bombs are great. They take skill and they work perfectly at countering battleship blobs. In fact, bombs are one of the reasons that people dont use battleships in large fleets anymore. Apparently it's easier to switch ship doctrines than it is to teach fleet members to do something other than "orbit anchor at optimal"

A gravity bomb that does damage based on how much mass your ship has. next question

By applying arbitrary class restriction to what those bombs can hurt, obviously.

The only new anti-capital bomb I can maybe get behind is the one with decent damage, at least 15 seconds of flight time before detonation, capital-sized explosion radius and AoE of 1 m. Maybe.

That, however, hurt triage and small capital groups more than it hurts capital fleets, so probably still no.