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The Huffarunier
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-08-16 15:20:53 UTC
The reason we play EVE (besides that we hate ourselves) is because it is unlike any other MMO, but when you talk to people about EVE and attempt to correlate it to other MMOs how do you do it?

For example; Are Missions Quests? What are Raids? There are no Daily, or Monthly quests, or achievement points...

So, how you do you the mental gymnastics to correlate different actions in EVE to those of Guildwars 2 or WoW, or any other MMO on the market?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2 - 2015-08-16 15:26:08 UTC
It's fairly easy. You just start out with “it doesn't really correspond all that well to how things work in other games”. Blink

Trying to explain things in terms of how it works in completely different games tends to lead to all kinds of wrong conclusions, so while it may take slightly longer, starting from a clean slate is generally easier.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-08-16 15:33:14 UTC
I just pretend PVE didn't exist and tell them it's a sandbox game where you continually compete against other players instead of a stupid AI.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
The Huffarunier
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-08-16 15:44:17 UTC
Sure. The entire no level thing gets to be an interesting conversation as well, but lets say you have to map certain actions in EVE to conventional MMO terms, what would they be?
Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
#5 - 2015-08-16 16:05:45 UTC
XP = ISK , the more you grind the more you gain. Unlike XP in other MMOs you can lose all your ISK or win it in a raffle. Now any other game with this mechanic would immediately become a P2W title. That's not the case in EvE because ISK don't mean anything if you can't put them to use through understanding the game. RL skills and knowledge required.

Classes = ships + modules + rigs + implants + skills. The class you play is the sum of all this. The skill system allows you to learn how to play a class by only slowly opening new possibilities, but once you have those possibilities you can switch classes on a whim. Again, you can't plunk down 100$ or € or £ and hope to achieve anything without RL skills and knowledge.

Attributes = RL skills and knowledge. Intelligence, perception, dexterity, charisma ... that's what you bring to the table and not what an arbitrary number in a video game says.



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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#6 - 2015-08-16 16:09:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Jill Xelitras wrote:
XP = ISK , the more you grind the more you gain. Unlike XP in other MMOs you can lose all your ISK or win it in a raffle. Now any other game with this mechanic would immediately become a P2W title. That's not the case in EvE because ISK don't mean anything if you can't put them to use through understanding the game. RL skills and knowledge required.

Classes = ships + modules + rigs + implants + skills. The class you play is the sum of all this. The skill system allows you to learn how to play a class by only slowly opening new possibilities, but once you have those possibilities you can switch classes on a whim. Again, you can't plunk down 100$ or € or £ and hope to achieve anything without RL skills and knowledge.

Attributes = RL skills and knowledge. Intelligence, perception, dexterity, charisma ... that's what you bring to the table and not what an arbitrary number in a video game says.


Illustrates the problem quite nicely.

An explanation of EVE in terms of how your standard MMO works will inevitably be of the template “It's like X, except that [long list of details that make it almost completely unlike X]”.
Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#7 - 2015-08-16 16:12:17 UTC
I usually start by explaining to others that they are playing an MO whereas I am playing an MMO. You know - Massive. 50,000k+ 25,000+ players on one server.

Having thus established my leetness the conversation then usually quickly turns to more important things. Like, the weather.
Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
#8 - 2015-08-16 16:22:18 UTC
The Huffarunier wrote:
Sure. The entire no level thing gets to be an interesting conversation as well, but lets say you have to map certain actions in EVE to conventional MMO terms, what would they be?


The PvE part is fairly easy to explain except for the part where even PvE is PvP.

Guilds = corporations. Don't foget that corporations can be a part of an alliance, which is like a levelled up guild. Alliances can work together in a freeform relationship, which players call coalitions.

Raids = PvE fleets. They do exist for instance for incursions otherwise it's less common. Don't forget that you may encounter PvP as soon as you undock and until you redock. ... and actually, even docked you can lose wast amounts of isk on the market, or to scammers, or when somebody blows up your in-space assets.

Groups = Fleets. Unlike many other MMOs, fleets are mostly formed to do PvP.


Are there other terms you want translated ? Big smile

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flakeys
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-08-16 16:25:49 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Well , the people i usually hang around with in rl don't even know what an mmorpg is ... Roll

Come to think of it i got one good friend of mine who also plays xbox one like i do but aside from him i don't know anyone irl who plays games.That is if i don't take the wives with their ipadgame hayday into account .

Hell , most of my friends kids don't even play games , but no worries i brought up mine with a good dosis of videogaming so at leats they'll be allrightBlink.

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2015-08-16 16:44:40 UTC
"It's like World of Warcraft, but with spaceships..." is usually enough to make people understand the basic idea of the game. Going into a detailed explanation is something I don't generally do lol.

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Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
#11 - 2015-08-16 16:45:17 UTC
Instance = a what ???

A copy of a particular dungeon for a group of players. Instanced dungeons are parallel worlds which let different groups of players explore the same dungeon in separate groups. Games like Vindictus and Dragon Nest are entirely instanced outside of persistent hubs, which are usually in towns.

No, seriously it's a thing outside of EvE. We only know the single shard.

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#12 - 2015-08-16 17:34:50 UTC
The Huffarunier wrote:
Sure. The entire no level thing gets to be an interesting conversation as well, but lets say you have to map certain actions in EVE to conventional MMO terms, what would they be?


There's a login screen, and other people. The similarities end.
Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#13 - 2015-08-16 18:11:33 UTC
Hmmm... to compare EVE with WoW...

High sec = Elwhyn Forest
Ratting in High Sec = Killing boars in Elwhyn Forest
Carebears = People who think they can reach lvl 100 by killing boars in Elwhyn Forest
ALOD = Dude in purple gear who gets killed in Elwhyn Forest
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-08-16 19:46:42 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
The Huffarunier wrote:
The reason we play EVE (besides that we hate ourselves) is because it is unlike any other MMO, but when you talk to people about EVE and attempt to correlate it to other MMOs how do you do it?

I don't. I compare it to elder scrolls or the X series. The closest multiplayer games would be Wurm Online or Minecraft. Comparing Eve to Wow is futile.

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The Huffarunier
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-08-16 23:22:55 UTC
Ive heard people say it is like ARK, but Ive never tried the game.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-08-16 23:39:19 UTC
Yoda said it best: "you must unlearn what you have learned".

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-08-16 23:43:53 UTC
"Its kinda like x, only actually nothing like x in any way at all"

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#18 - 2015-08-17 00:18:03 UTC
Any comparison with WOW is misleading as the entire premise of the games is different.

WOW is basically about memorizing fight mechanics then trying to execute a strategy against high stat, poor AI opponents. Harder encounters allow fewer mistakes, cutting edge encounters might need both flawless execution and some favorable RNG. Strict rules prohibit most 'outside the box' strategies.

EVE is all about fighting opponents with the same stats as you but that are (potentially) as smart as you or smarter. Outside the box strategies and extremely unfair numerical advantage are part of the game.

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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#19 - 2015-08-17 00:38:08 UTC
The Huffarunier wrote:
The reason we play EVE (besides that we hate ourselves) is because it is unlike any other MMO, but when you talk to people about EVE and attempt to correlate it to other MMOs how do you do it?

For example; Are Missions Quests? What are Raids? There are no Daily, or Monthly quests, or achievement points...

So, how you do you the mental gymnastics to correlate different actions in EVE to those of Guildwars 2 or WoW, or any other MMO on the market?



heh, this could be fun.......

my $0.02:

Quests = Agent Missions
Raids = Wormhole roaming? General content finding roams? Any activity revolving around Surprise PVP!

The Daily Quest is always the same: to not get podded.
Monthly Quest is to finish the month with more ISK than you started.

Classes, well, they still exist in the familiar Tank, DPS, Healer (logi) flavours common to other MMOs, just we also have a much wider variety of 'classes' to choose from, including Tackle, Debuffer (EWAR & Neuts), Party Buffer (Target Painters, squad/wing/fleet boosters, off grid boosting Tengus). And that's before we even venture into the whole Mining, Trading, Hauling, Invention and Industry side of EVE.

Grinding = Ratting/Mining/Hauling any awful, repetitive activity.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#20 - 2015-08-17 02:34:11 UTC
A lot of terms and mechanics transfer over pretty well, that said there are a lot of eve snobs. Many terms and mechanics for MMOs go way back. I think the bigger issue is the why of it. Looks like Sabriz Adoudel's post has a decent start on the differences. To the casual observer both games probably look the same except that one has wizards, and one has spaceships.

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