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Level 4 Security missions - ISK/Hour?

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Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
#121 - 2015-10-06 12:08:20 UTC
Lennvas wrote:
Leila Meurtrier wrote:
Problem with pirate + empire positive is a problem of truckloads of faction kills, not derrived standings. Thukkers will be a piece of cake should you balance everything right.


Does that mean, that thukker would be easier than the other pirates? If so, how?


Easy. Thukkers are not exactly pirates, hence limited amount of missions from the Empires against them. So, by swinging Amarr-SoE-Thukkers you should get slow, but steady net gain.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#122 - 2015-10-06 13:00:03 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
Honestly the derived negative standings for the few storyline missions you do run (don't run nearly all of them, only a handful really) is extremely small to begin with. Even then, my standings with the faction I'm blitzing for is over 8 atm and I can probably afford to not run storylines for a month or two at this rate easily. I've actually moved over to another faction, going to grind up some standings there and then I might go to another faction again and see the effect it'll have on my original faction's high 8 standings.

My gut feel says I should be able to keep over 5 faction standing with all relevant factions relatively easily. That said Thukker tribe might be a bit of a challenge (a lot of negative derived standings all over the place) and not sure about the other pirate factions either.



Unless you are running storylines in a perfect balance of 4x SoE, 3x Caldari, 2x Gallente and 1x Ammatar you are going to end up screwing up your faction standings with 2 or more of the major factions. The only exception to this is purely running SoE after you have all your other standings up... but why do you care? LP value seems to be your goal, so SoE and Gal/Min are what matters now.

You assume too much about me and my goals and know too little P

But jokes aside, doing the same thing for too long is what usually leads to boredom and quitting eve, especially in HS and doing PvE. Branching out, trying different things, running for different factions while still maintaining a good overall isk/hour is something that can break up the boredom a bit. If i want to effectively make some cash on the side through taking standings contracts for example I'd need to be able to blitz for at least Cal Navy, Amarr, SOE and maybe Gal/Thukker. That requires a bit over 5 standings with all of them. This also leaves me open for other things in case SOE finally collapses or a new item gets introduced (like SOE ships) in some random or obscure amarr LP store or something.

A lot of eve for me is about being ABLE to do things.

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Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#123 - 2015-10-06 13:02:21 UTC
Leila Meurtrier wrote:
Lennvas wrote:
Leila Meurtrier wrote:
Problem with pirate + empire positive is a problem of truckloads of faction kills, not derrived standings. Thukkers will be a piece of cake should you balance everything right.


Does that mean, that thukker would be easier than the other pirates? If so, how?


Easy. Thukkers are not exactly pirates, hence limited amount of missions from the Empires against them. So, by swinging Amarr-SoE-Thukkers you should get slow, but steady net gain.

Yea, I actually had my very first ever anti-thukker mission yesterday. The Vaga being one of my fav ships I felt kinda bad killing so many of them P

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#124 - 2015-10-06 22:09:23 UTC
Lennvas wrote:
While I am willing to believe, that blitzing can sustain the neccesary standing from the corresponding faction, what about
a) opposing faction, e.g. doesnt caldari drop s***t for blitzing gall? As some storylines have to be done I believe?
b) if blitzing for pirate factions in highsec, how does that affect empire faction standings? Can I do both, or do I have to abbandon the idea of maintaining above 5 for all four empires?(currently I am only above 5 for the gal/min side, cal/ama is closer to 3/0).


that is a harder goal.

a) if you are blitzing gallente missions, and not running kill missions vs caldari, the lowest your caldari standings will go is -5. I don't think that is really a problem, and you can always balance it out running amarr missions for example.

the main cause for drops in standings are from storyline missions. when blitzing I usually minimize those, as they are a distraction. Running a few is necessary to maintain standings, and that will slightly lower opposing standings, but the boosts are bigger than the derived hits.

personally I have amarr/caldari/soe standings, and that allows me to balance things well. my gal/min standings are a bit low, but if I focused on SoE for a while those would bounce back, although I'm not sure at what cost to amarr/caldari.

b) don't think pirate factions have any missions in highsec (maybe in the pirate arc?). have to go out to null for those. and personally if you can survive out in null what the empires think shouldn't be too much of a worry.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#125 - 2015-10-06 22:31:59 UTC
Lennvas wrote:
Leila Meurtrier wrote:
Problem with pirate + empire positive is a problem of truckloads of faction kills, not derrived standings. Thukkers will be a piece of cake should you balance everything right.


Does that mean, that thukker would be easier than the other pirates? If so, how?


Thukker have positive standings with Minmatar.

http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Standings#Standing_Relationships