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Level 4 Security missions - ISK/Hour?

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Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#41 - 2015-09-15 02:16:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
erg cz wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
Altair Taurus wrote:
I do not really see those "hundredths millions ISK per hour"


Also don't go Angel Extrava, not worth the time.



So basically " those "hundredths millions ISK per hour"" means you you cherry pick your missions, which is doable for a few days in a location, where you have multiply agents. So you just keep blitzing "Dread Pirate Scarlet" every 15 minutes. In reality your standing will drop so fast, that after you blitz it 4 times you have to stop refusing normal missions and do normal 30-60 milions per hour. But you first special hour, during which your standing to the agent droped from +9.9 to -1, is the reason, why you can boast about "hundredths millions ISK per hour". I saw ppl, who actually even not did it for the whole hour. Just run some missions for a half an hour and then multiply their income *2 so they say "oh we are good". They win Eve? Yes, defenetly. Should you follow their lies? Hardly.
Other hidden pillar of many "hundredths millions ISK per hour" b***t is that they are done in pairs. You and your alt. You have to be able to finanse both accounts and those "hundredths" frankly speaking should be halved.

TL;DR Mission running can be fun if made in different ships (brawler and snipe fit gives you different experience) and without skipping 3 of 4 missions cause you can not blitz them. You will get nice views, find some random treasures in your MTU, make some ISK in between. Or you can make it your job, hunting those "hundredths millions ISK per hour"" in a stupid way of refusing most of missions, making the whole thing repetitive as ****. So you will quit sooner or later.

If you need ISK - sell PLEX. Do not make your game a job. Missions are not for hectic ISK grinding, they are for relaxed shooting red icons and indulge the sight of Cathedrals, ammar bunkers, drone constructions and so on.


Well I have 6 chars with access to Lev 4 SOE missions, so I always pick the highest paying ones and run them all simultaneously with my tripleboxed Paladins or NMs, so potentially I could make 150 mill an hour if I start blitzing. But, I'm a pack rat and chooses to salvage/loot the missions which drops that down to around 80-100 mill an hour. If I had just one char then the isk per hour would drop further to 25-35 mill an hour.

I do this because I like killing rats and making isk in game. Buying and selling plex for isk kind of take away the thrill of the game for me. If I choose to make isk that way then eventually IT WILL bore me because it offers no challenge and it's just too easy.

In eve the isk per hour scales dramatically with multiple characters to more than make up for the extra cost to plex each account. The miners made this abundantly clear.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#42 - 2015-09-15 03:07:55 UTC
6 chars, triple boxed, doing 150m/hour, is that like per account or total? it's possible to beat that single boxing and running burner missions.

if I'm feeling effort, I'll dual box burner blitzing with a MJD afk rattlesnake, golem, or cnr. but usually I'd rather just forum post on the second monitor

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#43 - 2015-09-15 05:31:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
6 chars, triple boxed, doing 150m/hour, is that like per account or total? it's possible to beat that single boxing and running burner missions.

if I'm feeling effort, I'll dual box burner blitzing with a MJD afk rattlesnake, golem, or cnr. but usually I'd rather just forum post on the second monitor



I do burners as well with a Slicer, Kitsune, Vengeance (daredevil), Hawk (cruor) or Worm. There are times when I get like 6-8 burners within a 2 hour frame, but it's random so I don't count that as consistent isk per hour. Lately I've gotten really bored with doing missions because these Paladins simply overpowers them so effortlessly. Time for more of a challenge, like C4/C5 WHs.

Also, you making 150 mill an hour with a single char? What faction do you run missions for? Is that in Hi, Low or Null sec? And what type of burner missions allows BSs??
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#44 - 2015-09-15 05:38:59 UTC
okay yea that should improve things a good bit ;)

I'd say go for faction standings so you can abuse the hell out of declining bad missions. Just sitting in a paladin does get really boring I'm thinking about ripping out my large energy turret implant What?

paladin was my favorite ship, and probably will remain that way, but hard to justify its use.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#45 - 2015-09-15 21:46:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Bumblefck
UghBear

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Altair Taurus
#46 - 2015-09-21 00:58:29 UTC
Today it was a bit better! Mission Worlds Collide Gurista & Serpentis: reward - 2 mil, bounty - 28 mil, loot & salvage - 12 mil. TOTAL: 42 mil ISK / 1.5 h = 28 mil ISK/h
Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#47 - 2015-09-21 01:56:52 UTC
1.5 hrs for WC? Oh, blimey...
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#48 - 2015-09-21 02:16:33 UTC
before burners I liked worlds collide and I usually got it done in a bit under 20mins. a 20mil tick with ~3mil reward, and 8-9k lp.... now I just decline it :x

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2015-09-21 05:34:22 UTC
Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:
1.5 hrs for WC? Oh, blimey...


If that is full loot and salvage rather than just cherry picking it will be adding a bit to completion times.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#50 - 2015-09-21 05:56:51 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
Today it was a bit better! Mission Worlds Collide Gurista & Serpentis: reward - 2 mil, bounty - 28 mil, loot & salvage - 12 mil. TOTAL: 42 mil ISK / 1.5 h = 28 mil ISK/h

One day you'll get to the 200mill/h mark, you just have to believe in yourself.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Garrett Osinov
Doomheim
#51 - 2015-09-21 15:45:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Garrett Osinov
Altair Taurus wrote:
Today it was a bit better! Mission Worlds Collide Gurista & Serpentis: reward - 2 mil, bounty - 28 mil, loot & salvage - 12 mil. TOTAL: 42 mil ISK / 1.5 h = 28 mil ISK/h


You have to understand how to run missions and be ISK efficient. There are a lot of missions, which you can blitz and complete them within few minutes (assault, gone berserk, infested ruins, dread pirate scarlet, attack of the drones, damsel in distress, pot and cattle part 1, stop the thief, that what comes to my mind). And you have to learn how to do burners. You do them in 5-10 minutes and reward is between 30-100 mils per mission (depending on you agent and location of that agent). Then you will make a lot of isk.

And you never ever do missions like Extravaganza, Wolrds collide, Mordus headhunters, because payout is very low in terms of time / isk and lp / isk, because if you have chosen the right agent, then the main ISK come from LP, not from bounties.

Also you have to choose your agent wisely. Doing missions for 0.0 agents will let you make 300-400 mils per hour.

Another trick is you faction standing. Decline mission till your standing drops to 5.5-5.3, and be careful not to drop it below 5.
Altair Taurus
#52 - 2015-09-21 18:34:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
Well, after almost month long period of L4 missions running I earned 1 billion ISK to purchase Marauder! I consider this as my great achievement! Twisted

Now the plan is:

1. Purchase the best Marauder to my taste.
2. Purchase three months long Eve's game time.
3. Set-up training queue,
4. Log off!

Blink
Thomas Lot
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#53 - 2015-09-24 21:14:19 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
Altair Taurus wrote:
I do not really see those "hundredths millions ISK per hour"


Also don't go Angel Extrava, not worth the time.



So basically " those "hundredths millions ISK per hour"" means you you cherry pick your missions, which is doable for a few days in a location, where you have multiply agents. So you just keep blitzing "Dread Pirate Scarlet" every 15 minutes. In reality your standing will drop so fast, that after you blitz it 4 times you have to stop refusing normal missions and do normal 30-60 milions per hour. But you first special hour, during which your standing to the agent droped from +9.9 to -1, is the reason, why you can boast about "hundredths millions ISK per hour". I saw ppl, who actually even not did it for the whole hour. Just run some missions for a half an hour and then multiply their income *2 so they say "oh we are good". They win Eve? Yes, defenetly. Should you follow their lies? Hardly.
Other hidden pillar of many "hundredths millions ISK per hour" b***t is that they are done in pairs. You and your alt. You have to be able to finanse both accounts and those "hundredths" frankly speaking should be halved.

TL;DR Mission running can be fun if made in different ships (brawler and snipe fit gives you different experience) and without skipping 3 of 4 missions cause you can not blitz them. You will get nice views, find some random treasures in your MTU, make some ISK in between. Or you can make it your job, hunting those "hundredths millions ISK per hour"" in a stupid way of refusing most of missions, making the whole thing repetitive as ****. So you will quit sooner or later.

If you need ISK - sell PLEX. Do not make your game a job. Missions are not for hectic ISK grinding, they are for relaxed shooting red icons and indulge the sight of Cathedrals, ammar bunkers, drone constructions and so on.


This this this/^

I have a solid job as a math teacher. I play EVE so I can get a visual thrill at the beauty of the game. I'll buy a few Plex from EVE and sell them/use them as needed to supply my habit. I have no problem with supporting the game with a few of my dollars.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#54 - 2015-09-25 00:26:10 UTC
so since you are a math teacher add up 30 million at 6 mins a mission. you know what I'll do it for you, 300mil/hour! I might have simplified a few things, so sue me, oh noes 280mil/hour!

if I start making 6 figures or win the lottery yea sure I'll buy some plex, till then for how much isk I need, I'll just stick to blitzing missions. then again a GTC titan sounds like fun.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#55 - 2015-09-25 08:41:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
[quote=Garrett Osinov][quote=Altair Taurus]
Also you have to choose your agent wisely. Doing missions for 0.0 agents will let you make 300-400 mils per hour.


I keep hearing about this and it's starting to make me feel jealous. Is this in NPC or Sov 0.0? Are these level 4s or 5s? What agents/factions can you get these figures from? And how many or which ships do you use to runs these in 0.0?
Garrett Osinov
Doomheim
#56 - 2015-09-25 09:39:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Garrett Osinov
Daniela Doran wrote:
[quote=Garrett Osinov][quote=Altair Taurus]
Also you have to choose your agent wisely. Doing missions for 0.0 agents will let you make 300-400 mils per hour.


I keep hearing about this and it's starting to make me feel jealous. Is this in NPC or Sov 0.0? Are these level 4s or 5s? What agents/factions can you get these figures from? And how many or which ships do you use to runs these in 0.0?


It's NPC 0.0 stations and lvl 4. Join 0.0 alliance who live at the station, PvP in the evening, PvE during other times. For me PvE it's not very important, I need to buy 2 plexes per month to support my accounts and have another bil on my account for PvP. If I would be only interested in PvE, then I would choose nice and safe 0.0 alliance somewhere deep north or deep south.

Look at this site http://evefight.com/loyalty.php, there are some Lp / Isk examples.

With security connections to lvl4 you get aproximately 21000 lp for burner mission + aproximately 9+++ mils isk for mission + 5 mils for killing a rat. So at the end it is something between 77-100 mils per mission. I decline all other non blitzing missions and mission which are further then 3 jumps away.

About ships, I have 2 accounts and I run missions in Griffin + Worm (all team burners). Anomic agents missions I use Worm + Daredevil, Wolf, Enyo, Retribution (main idea to use the cheapest possible fits. For base burners it's Vigilant and Deimos + interceptor scout, I decline ashimmu base burner.

For non burner missions I use a ceptor scout + cloacked / stabbed tengu. As soon as I get to mission system, I drop mobile depot and refit for PvE fit. But this will depends on the region you choose to live. I live in a rather hostile space.
Altair Taurus
#57 - 2015-09-25 10:18:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
Mission "The Assault" Guristas version - loot is totally nerfed! I salvaged 1.6 mil ISK while at EVE-Survival you can find information about 9 mil. ISK worth salvage. Fortunately 20 mil. ISK bounty wasn't touched by CCP nerfers.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#58 - 2015-09-25 13:14:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
Altair Taurus wrote:
Mission "The Assault" Guristas version - loot is totally nerfed! I salvaged 1.6 mil ISK while at EVE-Survival you can find information about 9 mil. ISK worth salvage. Fortunately 20 mil. ISK bounty wasn't touched by CCP nerfers.

Gurista loot has always been bad and the salvage even worse. Realistically though apart form the T1 loot removal all the other devaluation is purely a function of the market/players. I guess you can argue that CCP released the tools that allowed this in the first place (Mobile tractor, Marauder change, Noctis).

All this means is that blitzing is just that much further ahead of all clear/salvage gameplay.

(The assault btw is one of the best normal lv4 missions to blitz fyi)

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#59 - 2015-09-25 18:46:54 UTC
reprocessing nerf kicked loot while it was down. thanks to over farming by players most meta loot isn't worth anything more than the minerals you can refine from it. and the reprocessing changes reduced that by half.

The assault hasn't been changed in years, so I doubt anyone has edited the eve-suvival page on it. I was going to try and do some editing over there but had to register and whatnot and I cba.

and pirate missions always sounded interesting. I would guess either mordus or gurista missions, they seem to have the most in demand ships right now. haven't looked at pirate implant rates in a while either though.

I've also heard interesting things about level 5 blitzing. not sure of the current state with jump fatigue though, Might be even easier now that carriers can gate jump? although a MJD sniper BS or something would probably work for most of them.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Altair Taurus
#60 - 2015-09-25 23:38:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
Overall hauling many and many times L4 mission's loot to trade hubs in Noctis I noticed that loot price is statically fixed to loot volume: 1 cubic meter = 10,000 ISK. Lol