Crime & Punishment

I don't speak for the 'organisation', I can only speak to that one case. My last leadership role was in Khanid lowsec, taking on NCDot and taking down their R64s in the region, and that burned me out, so now I just shoot stuff mostly. Personally, I wouldn't have thrown him out, I would have awoxed him, had a laugh, and let him stay if he wanted, hopefully having learned a valuable lesson. But as I stated previously, that decision was not, and is not, up to me. You also have to keep in mind that I'm talking about the people in the alliance who do wars, not ganking. There are different requirements for that than there are for ganking. Sometimes, you need something a little more expensive than a Catalyst or a Thrasher.

What I can say is I encourage any and all PVP'ers to do things just to try them out, or just because they can. If someone wants to take on a Tempest in an Enyo just to see if they can, and they lose, you'll get a thumbs up from me. The most important thing to me, personally, is that people are enjoying themselves. However, while I would have been more than happy to take on the inexperienced in Khanid where I had time and space to teach them the craft, this is a little different. We are under permanent wardec conditions and reside almost exclusively in highsec, and the most 'training' I or anyone else has time for is lowsec roams for the sake of improving unit cohesion amongst people that have not flown together before.

Heh heh, "prove it".

Hopefully you'll do better than that gutless blowhard Dracvlad, who despite talking crap on the forums all this time about Marmite and such, just played station games all day.

You're already off to a bad start, borrowing from Dracvlads playbook of the assumption that I apparently have no alts, instead of three accounts worth of alts. Yes, this guy hasn't moved in a little while, but I've been hunting explorers and squids in Caldari lowsec for the last two weeks. Faction warfare space always has been kind to me when I'm hard pressed for game time thanks to real life.

With that kb, he might as well stay docked.

Now if you're after someone that hasn't undocked a great deal for quite some time, then it's my KB you need to visit.
It's been years I think, due to RL shenanigans.

So does this mean I cannot comment, on how much of a blowhard some posters are? I'd even go on to suggest, I could fit that term.
After all, lol united.

This is why I use the battleclinic rankings when I am trying to guess a guy's skill.

A guy with loads of f1 kills usually gets very few points and a poor rank.

A guy who likes to bait in a Merlin can get a lot of points quickly if he's good, but you lose points for losses just as you gain them for a win.

I see those as a flawed, but unparalleled, way to gauge skill.

Kill boards are meaningless.

Edit:

Allow me to elaborate.

Killboards only provide a VERY small glimpse into the total "ability" of an EVE player. This isnt a game like COD where you simply go 15-0 and win the round. There are SO MANY avenues in EVE that allow for victory or defeat, and most of them are defined by the player. As was already pointed out, nullsec killboards (such as mine) are very short scoped in terms of pilot ability. Thats because in huge fleet fights, your job is to follow the instructions of the FC.

But it doesnt stop there. How about some examples? Lets look at my killboard. https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/

Meh. Its green. It says im 90% effective. But most of my recent kills are fleet fights. Does that mean im good? Does it mean I can follow instructions? Or does it simply mean I am not a complete moron? If you were to rate my skill based on the first few pages, what would you think? Some would say I am epic. Others will say F1 monkey. But its not about that. Its about how much fun you, yourself, have while paying CCP your duckets. Origin. has easily been the best corp I have been with. F1 monkey may I be, its a blast, and simply staggering to see some of the FC's and how they KNOW the game. How they do DPS calculations in their head, on the fly. How they prioritize targets. Ranges. Ammo. ****, I never even USED any other shot than CNAM or T2 before BL.

Do i know how to fly and exploit mechanics? http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?eid=34049420 -- (Meaningless to most of you, but a personal victory against a damn good pilot)

Or maybe just get plain lucky and guess someones warp in: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?eid=42996854

The point is that there are different forms of PVP. You cant compare PVP in 0.0 to PVP in Highsec because its NOT THE SAME THING. Killboards dont rate that. In a wormhole, you have to FIND your targets, and are limited by mass, an ever changing map, and the only real place where your assets are NEVER secure. Try as I may, I dont see that on killboards.

I have said it in other threads: kills dont make the player. Mining is PVP. Market play is PVP. People who build ships dont have that stat show up... neither do exploration sites completed or thefts conducted. Intel gathered. Wormholes scanned and chains scouted. Yes, thats meaningless to quite a large base of us, but for some people, one of the above may be where they shine. What is more useful... another killmail whore in your fleet... or the guy who knows how to scout? How to DSCAN correctly so his combat probes hit on the first shot, and the target doesnt have time to GTFO. Or maybe the guy who has a JF. You know, bringing you your pixels? Where are his stats?

In closing, they are all equally important, and they all make contributions you cannot ignore, and in some cases, cannot play without.

/soapbox

Ok, so, how do you glean a persons experience from a killboard? Most of us have been all over new eden, and if you plan on using my killboard to determine my experience youll have quite a long read.

And if your tracking a mission runner or miner/hauler/whatever, using a killboard isnt going to help you track activity.

Im not disputing you, just pointing our that killboards all used too often as a one stop shop to rate players, and its not always gonna work that way.

Incorrect. I will reiterate as simply as I can, so do try to keep up: the loss is irrelevant, the incompetence that was demonstrated is what matters. This is literally the last time I am going to say this politely, drac, because if you can't grasp it this time around, I will have to assume your ignorance is both wilful and intentional. I'm not putting on a narrative here, I am not playing any propaganda games, I laid it out straight. I could have put on any number of "CODE always wins" narratives but chose not to, and the main reason I did that was to see how many people could let go of their own narratives regarding CODE and accept a straight answer. So, can you? Can you drop your own narrative for five seconds and accept the actual straight-up facts of the situation that I've offered? Let me dot-point the main things for you:

• Austneal was new and had yet to prove his capabilities to people who he'd never flown with, and was also largely inactive

• Austneal was not invited, he applied, and was, by default, on probation

• Austneal chose to do something that was particularly high-risk with no real benefit to the alliance at large

• Austneal joined a war corp, NOT a ganking corp - this is an important one to remember, because there are different requirements for each

• And finally, there isn't a corp or alliance that wouldn't have reacted the same way

The losses don't matter. The incompetence does. That's the bottom line, and there's nothing in that bottom line that even suggests that losing something 'juicy' had anything to do with it. You're inserting that fiction all on your own.

OK, seems fair enough the juicy does not matter then, I have already looked at your war dec corps a bit and yeah he does not fit in with that as they are hunter killers, so I gracefully accept your reply, just a pity I had a Marmite war dec at the same time otherwise I would have tested them a bit more.

Bear in mind that my replies were always focussed on the propaganda as compared to what you actually do, from my prespective your reply makes total sense to me as an alliance leader and like last time I will +1 your post.