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SAFIZON: ALERT

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Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-08-14 16:04:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Sinjin Mokk
SCOPE and sources are reporting word of a large Drifter fleet en-route or spotted in Safizon.

To all Amar/Khanid loyalist forces, please confirm and respond soonest.

After spending the better part of the week performing cyber-surgery, I fear my response will be a bit delayed. I can only assume that I'm paying for my sins at a vastly accelerated rate.

Carry God with you and bring them Hell.


I see you stand like greyhounds in the slips,
Straining upon the start. The game's afoot;
Follow your spirit: and upon this charge,
Cry- God for Khanid, Jamyl and Amarr!

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#2 - 2015-08-14 16:26:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
FCORD and associated forces are present in system. The Amarr Navy is doing the bulk of the work, but capsuleers are streaming in.

More updates as they occur.

Remember that the Drifters are weak to thermal in shield, and EM in hull and armor. Additionally, high tracking is needed to reliably engage them. Current, the Amarr fleet is taking the brunt of the doomsday strikes, so you'll be able to remain on field for longer than in previous engagements. This likely won't last.

Update;
[16:38:01] Ren Karetta > BORDER CONTROL REPORTS THAT THE FLOW OF DRIFTER VESSELS HAS CEASED - IT'S TIME TO CLEAN UP!

Update;
16:45hrs, last Drifter destroyed.

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Conrad Chow
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2015-08-14 16:49:50 UTC
I have heard your call, and I am currently preparing a crew of Amarr faithful to purge these heathens from Safizon, with laserfire.

May His light reflect off our golden hulls this day, Amarr victor.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#4 - 2015-08-14 17:47:49 UTC
And once again, the Drifters turn up just as there's a development with the new flagship.

Ah well, at least this time you're not berating people for not coming to help when those who did were killed by the people the were trying to assist.

... yet.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2015-08-14 18:23:42 UTC
Early reports indicate that the Amarr Navy itself did most of the heavy lifting in this battle with aligned and non-aligned capsuleers forces assisting.

Strategically-speaking, this seems to me to be another test to gauge the strength of our forces. I'm not yet hearing anything about them targeting the station, planets or any of the system's infrastructure.

According to planetside war doctrines, it is inadvisable to engage in a war on two fronts. Jump gates have helped everyone's military keep that pearl of wisdom alive as it creates hard borders and frontiers.

Wormhole generation makes it possible for anyone to be engaged on multiple fronts. These last few battles against the Drifters are, I fear, nothing more than skirmish actions.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Arrendis
TK Corp
#6 - 2015-08-14 18:30:34 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
According to planetside war doctrines, it is inadvisable to engage in a war on two fronts. Jump gates have helped everyone's military keep that pearl of wisdom alive as it creates hard borders and frontiers.


It's really more the system-wide IFF-encoded cynosural jammers creating those borders. Without them, you're as porous as anywhere in null.
Aeon Amadii
#7 - 2015-08-14 19:20:09 UTC
Ahhh yes, so the Drifters have made another... how shall we say... "Counter-Attack" in retaliation for all the horrors we've wrought upon them.

Yes, clearly we should accept our transgressions as the aggressors as they attack - I apologize; 'defend' - themselves against the Throne Worlds yet again.

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#8 - 2015-08-14 19:38:36 UTC
Amadi; I'm not quite following, but if I'm reading properly: it's much easier to engage in supercilious pontification when you yourself aren't in the reticule. Were these raids taking place in the Federation, would you say it was just?

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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#9 - 2015-08-14 19:49:01 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Amadi; I'm not quite following, but if I'm reading properly: it's much easier to engage in supercilious pontification when you yourself aren't in the reticule. Were these raids taking place in the Federation, would you say it was just?

I think he's being sarcastic, respectfully.

Either way, I don't think there's anything "clear" about the Drifters or the right way to approach them.
Aeon Amadii
#10 - 2015-08-14 20:14:57 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:

I think he's being sarcastic, respectfully.

Either way, I don't think there's anything "clear" about the Drifters or the right way to approach them.


Were it so obvious.

Makoto Priano wrote:
Amadi; I'm not quite following, but if I'm reading properly: it's much easier to engage in supercilious pontification when you yourself aren't in the reticule. Were these raids taking place in the Federation, would you say it was just?


You'll find that I do not appreciate racism in the slightest, Priano... Just because I am Intaki does not mean I align with the Federation... You're testing my patience.

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Sinti Vailatti
Angelis Exploration
#11 - 2015-08-14 20:26:35 UTC
Aeon Amadii wrote:
You'll find that I do not appreciate racism in the slightest, Priano... Just because I am Intaki does not mean I align with the Federation... You're testing my patience.



And you're giving me pap schmeers.

This is a great day for the Empire and you're peeing on the parade.

“Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?”

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#12 - 2015-08-14 20:31:24 UTC
Aeon Amadii wrote:

You'll find that I do not appreciate racism in the slightest, Priano... Just because I am Intaki does not mean I align with the Federation... You're testing my patience.


Right. Because assuming someone with 'Federal Navy Academy' under their image aligns with the Federation is racist.

In any case, pilots, back to the matter at hand. I'll be working on some tactics briefs, contingent on circumstances. The engagement profile changes markedly based on number of Vigilant Tyrannos ships, presence of Imperial support, and location of engagement.

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-08-14 22:39:31 UTC
There is something in Safizon the Drifters want. I suspected it during the first attack, and now I'm nearly certain of it. Previous behavourial trends for the Drifters have suggested passivity and disinterest unless you attack them first or they see you carrying around a piece of Drifter tech. The only known piece of Drifter-derived technology so far is the Entosis Link - Drifters will hunt down pilots using them with unswerving ruthlessness.

At first I thought that the attacks on Amarr space were deviations from this behaviour, but in point of fact, I'm now increasingly convinced that they're attempting to prevent the Empire from exploiting some innovation or variation upon their technology. I don't know whether it's the Auctoritas itself or some technology used to construct it, but I remain convinced that this is what's going on with them. Even in the wake of an announcement regarding a new flagship, one attack on Safizon could have been seen as coincidence, but a second attack immediately following a new development regarding that same ship strains credibility.

Of course, I have no concrete proof of this - the Auctoritas' technical specifications are quite understandably a secret - but I would be completely unsurprised to learn that the technologies used in its construction had Drifter antecedents. While I'm certain all four major powers have dedicated considerable time and effort into studying any Drifter tech they can get their hands on, the Amarr Empire is by far the most vocal about investigation of the Antikythera Elements and innovation thereupon.

This isn't, for clarification, some sort of criticism or recrimination. I don't blame the Amarr Empire for researching Drifter tech - the pursuit of scientific advance is, in and of itself at least, perfectly laudable. I merely believe that the second attack on Safizon is an answer to a question many Amarr loyalists have asked publicly or privately - "what do the Drifters want with the Empire?"

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Aeon Amadii
#14 - 2015-08-14 22:52:54 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Aeon Amadii wrote:

You'll find that I do not appreciate racism in the slightest, Priano... Just because I am Intaki does not mean I align with the Federation... You're testing my patience.


Right. Because assuming someone with 'Federal Navy Academy' under their image aligns with the Federation is racist.

In any case, pilots, back to the matter at hand. I'll be working on some tactics briefs, contingent on circumstances. The engagement profile changes markedly based on number of Vigilant Tyrannos ships, presence of Imperial support, and location of engagement.


[OOC: FFS just read the signature pls ]

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Aeon Amadii
#15 - 2015-08-15 11:27:10 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
There is something in Safizon the Drifters want. I suspected it during the first attack, and now I'm nearly certain of it. Previous behavourial trends for the Drifters have suggested passivity and disinterest unless you attack them first or they see you carrying around a piece of Drifter tech. The only known piece of Drifter-derived technology so far is the Entosis Link - Drifters will hunt down pilots using them with unswerving ruthlessness.

At first I thought that the attacks on Amarr space were deviations from this behaviour, but in point of fact, I'm now increasingly convinced that they're attempting to prevent the Empire from exploiting some innovation or variation upon their technology. I don't know whether it's the Auctoritas itself or some technology used to construct it, but I remain convinced that this is what's going on with them. Even in the wake of an announcement regarding a new flagship, one attack on Safizon could have been seen as coincidence, but a second attack immediately following a new development regarding that same ship strains credibility.

Of course, I have no concrete proof of this - the Auctoritas' technical specifications are quite understandably a secret - but I would be completely unsurprised to learn that the technologies used in its construction had Drifter antecedents. While I'm certain all four major powers have dedicated considerable time and effort into studying any Drifter tech they can get their hands on, the Amarr Empire is by far the most vocal about investigation of the Antikythera Elements and innovation thereupon.

This isn't, for clarification, some sort of criticism or recrimination. I don't blame the Amarr Empire for researching Drifter tech - the pursuit of scientific advance is, in and of itself at least, perfectly laudable. I merely believe that the second attack on Safizon is an answer to a question many Amarr loyalists have asked publicly or privately - "what do the Drifters want with the Empire?"


I think we're all on the same page that this has something to do with the Empire's new Flagship and you make very concise observations to point this fact - well, theory - out. It's plausible, to say the least. Perhaps it's time we conduct a more formal investigation as to what is actually going into this Flagship and why the Drifters are so keen on it...

But, out of curiosity, do the Drifters just launch an assault on the System of Safizon itself or are their efforts targeted toward a specific entitity, such as the manufacturing station that is constructing said Flagship..? It can be argued that their efforts are not purely coincidental, absolutely, but unless their activities show patterns of intent than perhaps coincidence can't be ruled out just yet... Unless of course, we consider diversion tactics. Perhaps the Flagship is merely a convenient excuse.

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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-08-17 18:27:31 UTC
Why are they so keen on it? I say we start with the facts, but start with addressing your statement first.

Aeon Amadii wrote:
It can be argued that their efforts are not purely coincidental, absolutely, but unless their activities show patterns of intent than perhaps coincidence can't be ruled out just yet... Unless of course, we consider diversion tactics. Perhaps the Flagship is merely a convenient excuse.


I am going to point out first that I am actually at this time only a third party observer to the drifterthreat. I have spent past several months in a combination planetside or isolated in non empire space just gathering artifacts and intel. As such, I have no first hand experience with the drifters.

What I can see is that they appear to have strong and adaptive tactics which lends credence to them having actual intelligence.

The system itself is an unusual one for accessing in K space. The attack was too precise to be just a random wormhole access meaning it is highly probable they knew what system they were entering.

Drifters had been seen all over. It is highly unlikely they do not have accurate mapping of "K-space"

If attacking a territory, it is done for two reasons. To secure a foothold, or to secure a specific objective. Unless staging from... I do not have my stellar map handy, but there is a low security and low traffic system in the negative z axis to the galactic plane which would suffice.... anyways, as a foothold, there is too much of a front to make that a target if attacking anywhere except from that low security system.

As such, it has to be an objective. The only thing we know of relevance in the system is that there is the primary assembly yard and HQ for the Amarrian Navy. This is either something that was brought in or existed planet-side long before. No guarantee we would know about it, but it is a core system so I highly doubt something has gone undetected all that time.

So back to R and D. In terms of technology, the Jove, Amarr and Sansha are well above the others for technology. True, Amarr and Sansha are being held at bay from the other empires and on an equal footing, but divergent technological development has allowed that as well as the core nature of the populous.... imagine if the Amarr were industry focused like the Caldari instead of being a religious focused culture!

Let us not forget the massive influx of sleeper technology the amarr received that allowed the development of the Confessor. Confessor is extremely powerful for it's size in it's own right on a production scale. Has anybody seen the prototype?

In addition, we still have the mystery of Jamyl's "superweapon" from the Elders war. That level of power has yet to immerge since and we have not seen it either. There is the rumors and unverified documentation lending support that it was destroyed in secret. This information started to show up shortly after the Seyllin Disaster.

Said disaster which also led to our current situation.

Ship traversable wormholes did not exist prior to the Disaster outside of the New Eden Wormhole. Still on a scale and brighter than a star.... This is where my theory really gets interesting.

We know that people have control of wormholes. The Sansha have proven that. They stage invasions all over without us knowing of any single point that could handle such large scale production undetected. Yet stable and controllable wormholes that can control what passes through show time and time again. Ergo, wormholes are viable passage just like stargates. This is undeniable.

So Kuvakei is out there with tech he recovered and reactivated from the promised lands. Yes remember, he harvested Isogen 5, an element we cannot make use of for a completely unknown reason but allowed the production of ships on a power scale above anything we have seen from a base we cannot detect and generating wormholes to invade wherever he wants. Those ships which for years have been raiding all corners of our known space are not any different in appearance from sansha ships of past, but a hundred fold more powerful. One capsuleer could with ease counter ten of their nightmare battleships, now it takes ten of us to destroy one of those.

Decayed particles indicative of Isogen 5 were also noted in the ruins of the elder fleet. It is not a far stretch to see that if it was harnessed, would explain that power.

Back to Jovians and Caroline's Star. Massive key placed observatories in known space without prior knowledge, ability to construct wormholes and then a bright star that took out all of jovian space followed by the drifters havesting the bodies the sleepers guard finished by an all out attack. To me, I almost consider Caroline's star to not be a star but more likely a smaller scale wormhole explosion similar to what happened with the Earth gate.

So what if the Jovians had a much larger wormhole generator, capable of moving massive cloaked stations?

Well, they move them to places of sleeper access. Just studying true star maps, and the face that what has been dubbed "wormhole space" connects to planetary systems loaded with sleepers, and thus connected to drifters lends me to believe that the jovians are not the only ones who got off well from the gate's destruction. Note where the gate is, on the Left side of what we designate up on the galactic plane. What is far left of the gate? Would Earth of past not have expanded circular and not linear from our origins?

My guess is wormhole gates we use are artificial. The sleeper tech is most likely wormhole gate development. Perhaps artifical wormholes collapsed the new Eden gate itself and cause of the destruction by slowly bringing instability to a once stable wormhole? The Seyllin Disaster reactivated this gate system which since has just been randomly connecting to the former gate network. Beacons lost, they destabilizes and it "reboots" (tbc)

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-08-17 18:39:59 UTC
This reboot, lacking a beacon connects in a backup form which is why with occupation we have learned how wormholes tend to connect to specific system types.

As such, the Drifters have existed in this series of systems separate from our own. Ones we see in the sky but have not connected to. Neighbours in the next town over so to speak but until recent in stasis or disconnected. Wormhole travel has been reactivated. Contact was made between drifters and the Jove resulting in start of a war or other form of contact outside what we know. An attack, weapon or incident involving massive artificial wormhole is what caused the Caroline Star incident.

If there is one place experimenting with Isogen 5 or tangent technology, the best and most likely place is Safizon. Society of Consious Thought crew died to get info. Both sides were looking for and now have found something specific, and they want it. Everything so far leans towards something on par or even above what currently is capable by all the involved mentioned prior.

Phew, sorry for the long speech. But the summation is there is something extremely specific. Drifters know exactly what it is. Either is something they want to stop, or something they want for themselves. For all we know, we might not want to stop them. All clues point that such a thing can easily exist that is beyond our comprehension and why they know it would exist, and that this flagship can easily be much more than it appears. Outta steam now. Will leave you all to toss the ideas around in your head.

I will still fight them however as they are too much of a threat to those who are not involved and their ruthlessness. If something in that station is a threat to all empires, will have to deal with that separately.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2015-08-17 19:10:42 UTC
Again and again, all we have is supposition.

What we need, are facts.

It could be argued that there is some "thing" in Safizon that the Drifters want. It could also be that what they want, is to eradicate the upper echelon of the Imperial Military as a prelude to a full invasion. Or as I've said, it could be a test of our capabilities. Maybe they'll start poking the Federation next?

What we do not know still far outweighs what we do know.

CONCORD, the SSOE, the SoCT, Sansha Kuvakei, they know a lot more than we do. The Jove used to know...

The Jove. Is it safe to say that for all intents and purposes they are all dead?

We are all in a position where we can only respond to changes as they come. We don't have the solid intel we need to be more pro-active.

And that is something that needs to change.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-08-17 19:14:20 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Again and again, all we have is supposition.

What we need, are facts.

Facts are exactly what I'm trying to unearth. Anyone who wishes to assist in my research and reconaissance efforts is welcome.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-08-17 19:55:10 UTC
Where do we start on the hunt for facts? We need theories. Theories in science are called hypothesis. Theory in politics is supposition. First is who are drifters? They are some quazi alternate dimension or different time human like we see in holoreels or more probable, a different location. Different location and humans is three viable alternatives when considering the wormhole systems are not a part of any known jumpgate route.

1. They are a separate branch of development isolated from us cause of the dark ages.

2. Another colonization separate from new eden

3. Earth

So considering it is probable that w-space is this reality, and equal of all of new eden in size with same technology but no visible jumpgates, combined with sansha having valid control of wormholes, we can pretty much conclude lots of what was said. Drifters ignore all capsuleers and fixated on jovians outside of when we use tech based on sleepers. Not all tech as they do not react to our strategic cruisers or tactical destroyers, also based off sleeper tech.

So they ignore all things amarr but apply considerable resourse to an otherwize random system. I just drew parallels between said system and the drifters. We can ignore clues and just wait for outcome or follow the clues to find the truth. It might not be what we think now, but wont find it doing nothing.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

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