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Star Citizen: Greatest Video Game Scam Ever or Horrible Mess Created by Clueless Idiots.

You decide!

I've seen enough of Star Citizen to determine the simple fact that CIG would need to pay me to play their "game".

I don't know about the game but Derek Smart vs. Chris Roberts should be turned into a fight on celebrity deathmatch. The passive aggressive back and forth via blogs/twitter/forums posts has delivered more entertainment to me than most AAA PC titles. As someone who purchased the original Battlecruiser 3000 AD and a Wing Commander fan I was hoping Derek Smart was wrong but I'm starting to think hes probably correct. The Squadron 42 announcements, the Star Marine fiasco, it just starts to add up to looking like a clusterfuck. TBH if theres anyone who knows what a clusterfuck looks like its Derek Smart lol.

There's that old saying about how you don't need to eat **** to know that it won't taste good. You should look it up sometime.

quoting are still limited at 5 cases with the current data scheme, unless...

EVE WiS deja vu By the time they're done (if ever), the engine used would've been left behind and obsoleted by the industry.
Updates or fixes would incur more extra costs. Without a sustainable revenue stream (KS/early access packs/other shinies aren't sustainable revenue), it's just a matter of time before the entire thing collapses.

Exactly like that. It is nowhere in sight. It has a hideously broken tech demo with almost all the gameplay and mechanics missing, and what there is is at laughably crude level. It hasn't been designed yet. It has blown past every release date ever issued

The only reason I call it vapourware is because it ticks every box for being vapourware: all gloss, all PR, no actual product, no end or actual release in sight and nothing to even remotely suggest that they will ever be able to release anything resembling the game they've promised.. The amount of information on the “development” is absolutely minuscule, limited mainly to a handful of bug hunting videos and dev interviews where the devs inadvertently admit to not understanding how the engine works. They produce a fuckton of video content, yes, but most of that is patting themselves on the shoulder, talking about unrelated things, and (as of late) insulting their customers because the customers have started asking questions about when they'll actually show off any development.

…and once they've changed to the point where it is no longer the product promised, we have vapourware. Live with it. Or don't, that works too. If you're so pathetically desperate to be right that you want to call EVE vapourware, then you've already lost this one. That moronic equivocation is below even you, so just stop it.

No. EVE is not vapourware. WiS is. Planetary flight is. SC is, for much the same reason: because it's all showy presentations and PR and a broken tech demo, but with no actual game — you know, something with mechanics and gameplay — in sight. At what point between 1997 and 2003 was EVE supposed to be released (or, perhaps more accurately, between 2000 and 2003, since the first three years were spent chasing funding and a publisher)?

Being that they've had 4+ years to design the thing, having come no closer to how the systems will work than a text file and concept art means that no actual development is going on. It means they haven't left the concept stage on one of the simplest, most basic, most fundamental elements of the game. It means they're standing absolutely still. It means that we're talking pure vapourware here because there is no actual game in sight for the simple reason that they haven't even begun developing the fundamentals. All they're doing is creating stuff to sell to people who haven't played a game since Chris' last attempt at playing developer, and who therefore don't know any better. To use your EVE example, at what point during that process do you think the two dozen drunken guys in a Reykjavik loft decided how they were going to create and seed their universe? Was it in 2003? In 2000? In 1997? Or — replicating the current rate of SC “development” — in 2005?

It's debatable if they've even decided on how they're actually going to create these systems. At first, it would be all hand-crafted. Then it would all be procedural. At some point, they'll probably go back to it being hand-crafted once they realise that E:D will outdo them on this point as well as on everything else. Put another way: they have no idea what they're doing; no idea where they're going; and no capability, ability, or technical knowledge on how to get to wherever they eventually decide to go.

…such as? Is this just you being off your meds (and/or on some different chemicals) or can you actually point to me saying anything that would even remotely make the slightest shred of sense to be interpreted as my not liking a game like SC?


By the way, the whole “you don't know anything about development” spiel that Citizens usually try to use to excuse some very obvious development problem doesn't work on this one (or, indeed, on anything it's been tried on) because you'd have to be 100% ignorant about the development of anything to think that you do the fundamentals last. It only shows that the person who tries it is a shill with some vested interest in keeping the con going. So how much are you in for? How have your ships dropped in value on the grey market?

To be fair, I really did not give Chris Roberts any money till I played the open universe and multicrewed with a fellow on a stolen Freelancer. I was so impressed I bought one.

On a side note the free weekend wasn't just this weekend. Apparently its all week...

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15178-Roundup-Free-Fly-212-Patch-And-Other-Updates

Now I am a big EVE hater apparently, but I don't hate EVE so much that I would put money into Star Citizen for nothing. I can spend money on ESO or War Thunder and get more use per dollar.

I just was impressed with the current state of SC that I felt it was worth buying a ship.

That is not strictly the case. If we consider SC to be a AAA game then most such games take about 3-6 years to be finished. I think (but im not sure) that such games constantly Upgrade their Technology while being made, or at least perform modifications to the engine. Unless SC takes 6 or more years to be done, which I hope won't be the case, there is no reason to view it as obsolete before its time. For now it looks good altough it is horrendously unoptimised.

First post on this thread: August 2014...


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