Market Discussions

Citadels aren't an industry focused structure, they may not be better than stations.

The notion that people will want to ship to/from 0.0 to produce there is iffy at best. Logistics suck, especially now. Recent changes resulted in non-goon space changing hands, and continually doing so, and this is during the slow season. Any major producer isn't going to setup shop in space that isn't realistically insulated from disruption. Meaning Goon+pets are realistically the only logical area to benefit from any potential benefit circa now.


The flip side.

If there is such a reason to move a t2 bpo to 0.0 to produce for empire then the results will be counterproductive to empire. 0.0 producer with a benefit sells in empire on a leverage. Unwinnable price competition drives empire producer out. Enter the people who matter. Major interests compete for bpos, which in turn drives the bpo price up. After a while, after consolidation, we are left with a cartel controlled market; however, this time controlled at a price that is unviable to somebody who doesn't have a leverage; empire.


The middle

The people who matter simply do not care. 0.0 production for empire is a big undertaking. Without big backing, and big logistics, -even when conventional logistics are in place, the realistic feasibility of a mass undertaking is fools gold. With the absence of the people who matter then you are left with those hoping someday they will. A field in which a few people have a leverage against most people, but on a scale that isn't enough to cartel a market.. And most people, while technically able to compete simply do not have the know how, and assuming in many cases the will(i.e. moving to 0.0) to be able to effectively compete on the market, regardless whether or not they already have the required resources to compete(a t2 bpo). Thus you have a select few people who have bpos, the know how, the ambition, and the logistics to effectively throw chaos at the t2 market as empire competes against a minority of 0.0 that has a leverage on price.

Which obviously will lead to the eventualization that those on the leveraged but middle class field will go up, and in turn with money leads acquisition; and cartels are born again.


In conclusion? Chardonnay is good.

It all depends on the type of T2 BPO, one serious inventor can produce many multiples of units over a T2 BPO owner. There are only a few markets where a T2 BPO production volume has an affect on current prices.

This.

We have to wait until we know about the service, fitting and rigging options for citadels.

We also don't know how much the S&I specific structures are going to differ from citadels. Will they have the same asset safety mechanics? What role bonuses will they get? What will be their vulnerability characteristics? How will their fitting options compare?

We also don't know how much S&I functionality is going to remain within NPC stations and indestructible outposts in the long term.

But I'm hopeful that I'll be able to build a worthwhile, persistent, destructible, space factory complex again. Industry has been somewhat uninspiring for me since Crius devalued those into uselessness.

I did pick an ammunition type that gets used a moderate amount. It's not flavour of the month, but it has both PVP and PVE applications.

Solving the throughput issue is more important, but this appears to be an outright buff to T2 BPO throughput (given most T2 BPO owners do not use science/industry POSes as far as I can tell).

Copy in high sec -> move to where ever you want manufacture = problem solved

Depending on how the new structures are implemented, it could be way more easier to run reactions without a big POS farm.

I wonder what the % fee will be. While less risk than current POS mechanics, you could effectively bankrupt an entity if the fee is large enough and they put too many eggs into that basket.