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Dev blog: I feel safe in Citadel city

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marly cortez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#321 - 2015-10-22 00:09:24 UTC
Fractured Non-Linear detrimental progress based on Lo-sec gank type thinking, result will be little or no player engagement with this idea either on the usage front or content provision, Similar to the poor response to ICE belt nerfs and a dozen other half thought through concepts based on trying to 'Force' players to do something that intrinsically they know is not in there best interests.

Individual Player Risk Aversion is a powerful demotivating driver far in excess of the meager content offered by these new structures except in very specific environments like wormholes or Sov incursions which your past tinkerings have rendered unnecessary.

Humanity is the thin veneer that remains after you remove the baffled chimp.

Chatelaine Superior
Angels Dust
#322 - 2015-10-26 09:18:32 UTC
hello CCP and EVE community

i got simple question about super capitals and Citadels, please take your time and give me an answer.

I have small corporation and basically all members are my alts. I have a titan and mainly use it for bridging frieghters. Citadel gonna cost 70 bil., right .... I understand I don't have any chance defend it against big group of pilots. And I will be a perfect target, right? Buy mercenaries to defend? I could, but mercs do stuff one time, they can't watch some citadel 24/7 they don't care.

Do this new citadels are end of small groups like me having super capitals? Should I forget my accs with supers for this time?

Thanks for answers!
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#323 - 2015-10-26 10:17:16 UTC
Chatelaine Superior wrote:
hello CCP and EVE community

i got simple question about super capitals and Citadels, please take your time and give me an answer.

I have small corporation and basically all members are my alts. I have a titan and mainly use it for bridging frieghters. Citadel gonna cost 70 bil., right .... I understand I don't have any chance defend it against big group of pilots. And I will be a perfect target, right? Buy mercenaries to defend? I could, but mercs do stuff one time, they can't watch some citadel 24/7 they don't care.

Do this new citadels are end of small groups like me having super capitals? Should I forget my accs with supers for this time?

Thanks for answers!

Serious question. How the hell to you keep your titan now? i mean a large POS is not exactly fort nox. And 100B for just bridging freighters?

Don't get me wrong. I want citadels to work for small groups as well. And as they are with the whole won't shoot unless manned, they are a no go for me. I am away from eve for a week or so fairly often, and a driveby would be just too easy. Also being in a WH i lose everything.

POS will be around for the better part of a year, and probably longer until all structures are out, so we can stick with those in the mean time.

AKA the scientist.

Death and Glory!

Well fun is also good.

Soltys
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#324 - 2015-10-26 18:58:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Soltys
CCP Phantom wrote:
Please read CCP Ytterbium's blog I feel safe in Citadel city and inform yourself about all the details! We encourage you also to read the companion blog Citadels, sieges and you.

Constructive discussions and questions are most welcome,



In context of magic fedex (or slowdex) fairy saving everyone's assets in case of the citadel's destruction I understand why you're doing this - but it feels so artificial it almost hurts.

So perhaps instead of single 10% "delivery" fee (in case of npc station) and 0% in own-station case: dedicate 10% - 20% or so of everyone's assets to the "loot pool" (that is 10%-20% per person/corp to keep things fair) that get dropped upon the station's destruction (regardless where the stuff would be delivered later) - and forget about any delivery fees ?

Jita Flipping Inc.: Kovl & Kuvl

Redd Dredd
State War Academy
Caldari State
#325 - 2015-11-01 06:28:20 UTC
This sounds like an awesome way to keep people from coming back to the game. If I am taking a break and come back to find my implants lost and my gear held for ransom, the part of me that wanted to return is going to have second thoughts. Especially if I dont have the isk to pay to get my stuff back.

Also, how are you handling jump clones? Just simply deleting them? Here's to potentially losing two sets of implants while being unsubbed or logged out. yay.
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#326 - 2015-11-02 09:32:15 UTC
Redd Dredd wrote:
This sounds like an awesome way to keep people from coming back to the game. If I am taking a break and come back to find my implants lost and my gear held for ransom, the part of me that wanted to return is going to have second thoughts. Especially if I dont have the isk to pay to get my stuff back.

Also, how are you handling jump clones? Just simply deleting them? Here's to potentially losing two sets of implants while being unsubbed or logged out. yay.

Don't unsub. Or move to a NPC station first. Seriously where do you people get off. You unsub in a POS guess how well that is going to work out for you? That goes for you JC as well.

seriously the level of entitlement.

AKA the scientist.

Death and Glory!

Well fun is also good.

Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#327 - 2015-11-02 12:26:42 UTC
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
Chatelaine Superior wrote:
hello CCP and EVE community

i got simple question about super capitals and Citadels, please take your time and give me an answer.

I have small corporation and basically all members are my alts. I have a titan and mainly use it for bridging frieghters. Citadel gonna cost 70 bil., right .... I understand I don't have any chance defend it against big group of pilots. And I will be a perfect target, right? Buy mercenaries to defend? I could, but mercs do stuff one time, they can't watch some citadel 24/7 they don't care.

Do this new citadels are end of small groups like me having super capitals? Should I forget my accs with supers for this time?

Thanks for answers!

Serious question. How the hell to you keep your titan now? i mean a large POS is not exactly fort nox. And 100B for just bridging freighters?

Don't get me wrong. I want citadels to work for small groups as well. And as they are with the whole won't shoot unless manned, they are a no go for me. I am away from eve for a week or so fairly often, and a driveby would be just too easy. Also being in a WH i lose everything.

POS will be around for the better part of a year, and probably longer until all structures are out, so we can stick with those in the mean time.

Most smaller groups only use their Titans for bridging - Drop 2 or 3 titans on any field your guaranteed of getting 3rd partied by everything that can get there.
Once Citadels come into play, small groups will need to rely on dead space log offs. For most this will mean, save location, log it off and forget it.

CCP is doing their level best to ensure no-one but the largest groups can play the capital game. Citadels and capital balancing with its bias toward large groups, is all but removing small groups from capital use.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Redd Dredd
State War Academy
Caldari State
#328 - 2015-11-02 18:30:59 UTC
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
Redd Dredd wrote:
This sounds like an awesome way to keep people from coming back to the game. If I am taking a break and come back to find my implants lost and my gear held for ransom, the part of me that wanted to return is going to have second thoughts. Especially if I dont have the isk to pay to get my stuff back.

Also, how are you handling jump clones? Just simply deleting them? Here's to potentially losing two sets of implants while being unsubbed or logged out. yay.

Don't unsub. Or move to a NPC station first. Seriously where do you people get off. You unsub in a POS guess how well that is going to work out for you? That goes for you JC as well.

seriously the level of entitlement.


More people have unsubbed from Eve than are currently playing, and in case you haven't noticed, current subscription levels are dropping. People unsub for lots of different reasons, why make it more difficult for them to want to return?
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#329 - 2015-11-02 20:15:40 UTC
Redd Dredd wrote:
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
Redd Dredd wrote:
This sounds like an awesome way to keep people from coming back to the game. If I am taking a break and come back to find my implants lost and my gear held for ransom, the part of me that wanted to return is going to have second thoughts. Especially if I dont have the isk to pay to get my stuff back.

Also, how are you handling jump clones? Just simply deleting them? Here's to potentially losing two sets of implants while being unsubbed or logged out. yay.

Don't unsub. Or move to a NPC station first. Seriously where do you people get off. You unsub in a POS guess how well that is going to work out for you? That goes for you JC as well.

seriously the level of entitlement.


More people have unsubbed from Eve than are currently playing, and in case you haven't noticed, current subscription levels are dropping. People unsub for lots of different reasons, why make it more difficult for them to want to return?

More people unsub than play *ALL MMOs *. It is a natural state of MMOs. More people try something than stick around.

If you unsub in the middle of space, then that is your problem. If CCP has to pay upkeep on every single account ever created, they may as well shut up shop now. No one can afford that, even WoW can't afford that and its a team park.

AKA the scientist.

Death and Glory!

Well fun is also good.

Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#330 - 2015-11-02 20:19:39 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:

Most smaller groups only use their Titans for bridging - Drop 2 or 3 titans on any field your guaranteed of getting 3rd partied by everything that can get there.
Once Citadels come into play, small groups will need to rely on dead space log offs. For most this will mean, save location, log it off and forget it.

CCP is doing their level best to ensure no-one but the largest groups can play the capital game. Citadels and capital balancing with its bias toward large groups, is all but removing small groups from capital use.

What? A titan hull is worth *more* than a XL citadel hull. They where never meant for solo play. In fact Titans where mostly Epean.

If you can afford a titan. You can afford a XL citadel. If not used the tether mechanic with a sitter as you do now. And you got at least a year before POSes are gone.

AKA the scientist.

Death and Glory!

Well fun is also good.

Redd Dredd
State War Academy
Caldari State
#331 - 2015-11-02 23:12:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Redd Dredd
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
Redd Dredd wrote:
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
Redd Dredd wrote:
This sounds like an awesome way to keep people from coming back to the game. If I am taking a break and come back to find my implants lost and my gear held for ransom, the part of me that wanted to return is going to have second thoughts. Especially if I dont have the isk to pay to get my stuff back.

Also, how are you handling jump clones? Just simply deleting them? Here's to potentially losing two sets of implants while being unsubbed or logged out. yay.

Don't unsub. Or move to a NPC station first. Seriously where do you people get off. You unsub in a POS guess how well that is going to work out for you? That goes for you JC as well.

seriously the level of entitlement.


More people have unsubbed from Eve than are currently playing, and in case you haven't noticed, current subscription levels are dropping. People unsub for lots of different reasons, why make it more difficult for them to want to return?

More people unsub than play *ALL MMOs *. It is a natural state of MMOs. More people try something than stick around.

If you unsub in the middle of space, then that is your problem. If CCP has to pay upkeep on every single account ever created, they may as well shut up shop now. No one can afford that, even WoW can't afford that and its a team park.


Un-subbing in space isnt the issue. Un-subbing in what was once an indestructible station that was completely safe at the time is.

Also, of course CCP keeps every single account ever created. They hope at some point that person will come back and play.
token trade alt
Slamming Mad B-Balls
#332 - 2015-11-03 06:12:21 UTC
Redd Dredd wrote:
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
Redd Dredd wrote:
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
Redd Dredd wrote:
This sounds like an awesome way to keep people from coming back to the game. If I am taking a break and come back to find my implants lost and my gear held for ransom, the part of me that wanted to return is going to have second thoughts. Especially if I dont have the isk to pay to get my stuff back.

Also, how are you handling jump clones? Just simply deleting them? Here's to potentially losing two sets of implants while being unsubbed or logged out. yay.

Don't unsub. Or move to a NPC station first. Seriously where do you people get off. You unsub in a POS guess how well that is going to work out for you? That goes for you JC as well.

seriously the level of entitlement.


More people have unsubbed from Eve than are currently playing, and in case you haven't noticed, current subscription levels are dropping. People unsub for lots of different reasons, why make it more difficult for them to want to return?

More people unsub than play *ALL MMOs *. It is a natural state of MMOs. More people try something than stick around.

If you unsub in the middle of space, then that is your problem. If CCP has to pay upkeep on every single account ever created, they may as well shut up shop now. No one can afford that, even WoW can't afford that and its a team park.


Un-subbing in space isnt the issue. Un-subbing in what was once an indestructible station that was completely safe at the time is.

Also, of course CCP keeps every single account ever created. They hope at some point that person will come back and play.


"oh what, I just came back to the game and have to pay 10% of my billions of assets in liquid isk to have it moved out of the space we're essentially being evicted from, i'll just go back to whatever else i was doing"
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#333 - 2015-11-03 15:21:20 UTC
Redd Dredd wrote:
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
Redd Dredd wrote:
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
Redd Dredd wrote:
This sounds like an awesome way to keep people from coming back to the game. If I am taking a break and come back to find my implants lost and my gear held for ransom, the part of me that wanted to return is going to have second thoughts. Especially if I dont have the isk to pay to get my stuff back.

Also, how are you handling jump clones? Just simply deleting them? Here's to potentially losing two sets of implants while being unsubbed or logged out. yay.

Don't unsub. Or move to a NPC station first. Seriously where do you people get off. You unsub in a POS guess how well that is going to work out for you? That goes for you JC as well.

seriously the level of entitlement.


More people have unsubbed from Eve than are currently playing, and in case you haven't noticed, current subscription levels are dropping. People unsub for lots of different reasons, why make it more difficult for them to want to return?

More people unsub than play *ALL MMOs *. It is a natural state of MMOs. More people try something than stick around.

If you unsub in the middle of space, then that is your problem. If CCP has to pay upkeep on every single account ever created, they may as well shut up shop now. No one can afford that, even WoW can't afford that and its a team park.


Un-subbing in space isnt the issue. Un-subbing in what was once an indestructible station that was completely safe at the time is.

Also, of course CCP keeps every single account ever created. They hope at some point that person will come back and play.

Newsflash, NPC stations are not going away. Also no CCP has not kept every account around. They did a purge a while back. Also they don't promise to keep unsubbed accounts around longer than a fix time. 1 year IIRC.

AKA the scientist.

Death and Glory!

Well fun is also good.

token trade alt
Slamming Mad B-Balls
#334 - 2015-11-03 22:47:51 UTC
Delt0r Garsk wrote:

Newsflash, NPC stations are not going away. Also no CCP has not kept every account around. They did a purge a while back. Also they don't promise to keep unsubbed accounts around longer than a fix time. 1 year IIRC.


For someone who's so caustic, you're not particularly good at reading. He's talking about keeping stuff in outposts, which are currently indestructible. Most players who need to take a break don't jump at the thought of "oh boy I am looking forward to moving millions of m3 to a nearby system before I stop playing, that certainly won't kill my motivation to come back at some point." The problem I'm seeing is that they keep saying they want people to live in nullsec, and move out there, yet they seem to be doing everything in their power to make it more of an inconvenience to live there while providing no additional benefits.

With no 'asset safety', people will likely keep a bare minimum in null and have excess shipped to highsec. That's not really living in null, if you ask me, but that's what will happen.
Zander Kumamato
The Chaos Void
#335 - 2015-11-05 02:47:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Zander Kumamato
That leaves us with player docked inside the structure when it was lost:

[*] The player has to fly out of the exploding wreckage in first person view, avoiding hazards and hoping to reach the exit on time or they will be podded.
Jin Maci
Synergy Holdings Inc
#336 - 2015-11-05 02:50:56 UTC
actually they only purged triasl accounts that had never been subbed.
Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#337 - 2015-11-14 15:27:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Portmanteau
With the amount of magic entosis wand this and magic respawn asset that in EvE's future, can I ask if you have any plans to finally make a wizard's hat available to buy for Aurum ?
Meta2
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#338 - 2015-11-21 16:21:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Meta2
So what exactly happens with wormhole space here? Your saying medium citadels can't dock capital ships when generally even a C3 will have a carrier or two these days and maybe a dread for defense. So does that mean they get left in space and possibly outside a shield? Well I am sure that will help all those folks that like to steal ships because as we all know billion dollar starships have actually no security on who can fly them. Shocked

For a C3 corp a large citadel would be prohibitively expensive ... and supposedly those are the only ones that have certain services that a large pos can already provide in a C3. Your taking away an important aspect of gameplay for C3 folks and those who don't want to have to team up with larger game entities to play.

...and seriously come on.... these things can be destroyed and they drop all their stuff and then some towing service can be purchased to drop it off at the nearest station? Like that would ever happen in real life (yes I know its a game but this isn't World of Warcraft where you pop a magic save my stuff spell and are magically transported to safety),


Are all these changes really necessary? What exactly is prompting them? I understand the game needs to evolve at some point... I think it would be better to finish improvements that already exist and go into new areas like making planets capable of being owned by corporations and able to build populations and defense industries (micromanagement et cetera). Also the walking in stations could be finished.
Meta2
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#339 - 2015-11-21 16:24:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Meta2
Portmanteau wrote:
With the amount of magic entosis wand this and magic respawn asset that in EvE's future, can I ask if you have any plans to finally make a wizard's hat available to buy for Aurum ?


Yes have you noticed that EVE may be turning into World of Warcraft? I never thought it would go that route. The shark is being jumped.

I think we have a WOW spy that has joined the developer ranks.
Meta2
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#340 - 2015-11-21 16:32:09 UTC
"If CCP has to pay upkeep on every single account ever created, they may as well shut up shop now. No one can afford that, even WoW can't afford that and its a team park"


The database space to retain all the information in my accounts probably represents less than 10 mb of disk space even with all the crap I have retained over 10 years.