Player Features and Ideas Discussion

EVEs learning curve is very difficult or very easy it is a point of view.
It can be difficult if you see the complexity and want it all at once but this is not possible I play this game for 8years and I do not know all of it and I definitely can not do everything even with 150mil SP.
Or EVE is easy you look for what you want and then make a decision to go forward to this goal or wait but if you only wait and doubt yourself you will never have fun.

To use CCP Manifest words "EVEs progression is like leaping of a cliff into the unknown".

This complexity can not be fixed with ISK or SP because EVE is not about powerskills and overpowerd equipment it is about a shared experience created by the players for the players.
Skills are only the beginning they are the training wheels for the most basic concept of EVE .
Your decision matter and this is the real complexity, you must make a decision:
"Do I skill amarr or caldari?"
"Do I take the fight or retreat?"
"Do I steal that stuff out of the corp hanger?"
"Do I betray my coaliltion and lead the fleet into a trap?"
"Am I the guy who kills newbies for fun?"
"Am I a leader?"
Skills are only about the player themself but everything else is in contact with othere players and they will remember your decision and there is not second server or any other safety net, only your decision and the consequences of it.
So be happy you have time to learn and HTFU .

Back in line with this redundant ranting. EVE doesn't need it to change, otherwise the game will be full of impatient pricks.




35 million skill points? holy hell... I've been playing for 4 years and I got 43 million sp... So absolutely no to making it THAT easy for new players.

Those guys you're linking are NOT newbros. Those are new characters indeed, but the guy playing is really experienced, and is able to bypass the low skills through experience. Real newbros won't. And that's the point of this thread: newbros are bad, because they lack experience, AND skills. We cannot give them experience easily, as it depend of how we play, but we can give them a little more starting skills. 35M is way too much and everybody will agree about that, but more starting skills (reasonable amount) can hardly be a bad thing.

That's exactly the point. The experience a rookie needs to gain is how to play the game, not more skillpoints.

Join a corp, start asking questions and losing ships.

Play the game. You'll learn. Your player cannot die or otherwise suffer irreparable loss.

Yes, but at the same time it highlights how skill points are NOT the be all and end all to this game. Simply whining about the lack of SP and "not being able to do anything because of same lack of SP" is in reality false.

I'll also point out that people may very well end even more frustrated if they are given 35 million SP.

First off if we just give them 35 million SP they may not know where to put them. So if they put them in some skills and then later regret it we will get no end of the whine posts from all these players who were just flat out ignorant . You thought the AFK claoking threads were annoying....

Second, building on the ignorance notion, suppose you have players do a bit of research and decide to put the SP in skills for something they really want to do. However, just because you can get in a ship, fit it, and undock it...does not mean you can use said ship to its best advantage. That will come with experience, or learning-by-doing. The more you play the game the more fine points of your preferred activities you'll understand that are completely unrelated to SP. This can be considered something like capital accumulation (not money, but capital as in plant and equipment) human capital--i.e. knowledge that exists inside the player....in his head. So the 35 million SP player undocks, zips off to null and gets shot in the face and wakes up in his home station. How long before we have threads from these ignorant players whining and whining about how unfair the game is! Especially if they lost their advanced ship to a guy in a T1 ship who has taken the time to learn aspects of the game unrelated to SP? Especially if they fall into the "Bigger is Better" trap and die to a smaller class of ship?

Third, are null sec alliances going to maintain their current SP requirements? No. If the current alliance threshold is say, 20 million SP, you change starting SP by giving new players 35 million SP then the NS alliance threshold will likely go to 55 million.

So our new player SP warriors will be back here starting more threads whining about being turned away from NS alliances and how they need 55 million SP.

Most of the stuff a noob needs to learn can be learned well under this amount. Like how to actually fly, Skills levels on char screen != actual playing skill.

Broken record time.....if a noob can;'t fly a rifter worth a damn nothing magical happens in a jaguar/wolf. Fill in other racial ships to taste. Or higher stuff like HAC and its t1 base cruiser. The only magical effect techinically is the wallet drain really.

I was in 0.0 and very productive like 3-4 months into game. take base attributes, put in +3 implants...calc the sp this would be (I cba to do it....needless to say its a bit under 35 mil sp lol).

Scouting and tackling not glamourous jobs to some....but they need to check that damned ego imo. Low sp noob can be real vital real quick. Fly like ass what and your are scouting can have a bad night really fast.


Eve is like rl....you are as useful as you think you are. Eagerness and ability to learn go a long way. If a player thinks they are useless for superficial crap like this it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy real fast. Will get some elitist tards you deal with ofc. But well...if you care about what those idiots think you got issues. Again this is like rl....try to find the chill people to roll with and avoid the asshats really.

So the problem here is that you have played every other MMO out there and came to Eve trying to play it as if it were WoW or one of it's myriad of clones and it is not those games. Your skill points are simply not holding you back from doing anything. It is your game knowledge and you are correct there is no way to power level that. In Eve you have to learn the game. You have to take your lumps and gain experience just like everyone else had to and there is not eliestjerks.com to short cut your way to easy wins.

Yes we know this is limiting the number of people that will play eve and it is limiting the people that frankly I don't want playing the game anyway. If you are looking for easy win- instant gratification gaming then I am glad to see you go back to all those other games and stay out of my glorious and difficult game.


Yes they do and honestly so do us vets. This game is very deep and very complex and in many ways I still feel like a noob. Not to mention the fact that they have changed so much of this game that in many aspects of this game there are players much younger than myself which know far more than me.

If you enjoy learning and being rewarded for your efforts Eve can be a very gratifying game. If you are used to being jerked off an congratulated for every little thing that you do and enjoy games that hand you everything with little to no effort then this game is not for you.

There is no breadcrumb storyline quest series to get you from 0 to 100 and teach you every aspect of the game inbetween. There is no one path through this game. There is no one way to play this game. There is no level cap. There is no structured PvP of even up groups of players of the same level and similar gear score. There is no 25 man raid or PvE that scales with group size. There is no instanced PvE where you are immune to other players coming in and messing with you.

These to me are the pluses that this game has to offer. If you think this is what is holding this game back then may I suggest that you are free to go back from wence you came.

And as far as needing years of skill training you simply do not. It just is not true and shows how little you understand about the game. You do not have to take my word for it there are plenty and plenty of vets out there that have done very well on very very young toons. This is a link to only one of them but there are many many more vets who have proven you wrong by solo pwning on days old alts.