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TheExtruder
TheExtruder Corporation
#1 - 2015-08-12 02:10:38 UTC
what would be the benefits of making the eve forums more accessible ingame?

* the corporate experience in eve will be enhanced
* corp mates can support eachother on different topics
* corp mates can get to know each other better
* corp mates can communicate while at work/school
* rookies can learn faster about the game by observing the dynamic discuasions on the forums.
* capsuleers are more connected with the community
* capsuleers can keep up with news and events better, both official and player made
* capsuleers can get more involved in eve politics
* capsuleers can get more interest for the events they are hosting
* capsuleers can recruit faster and more accurately
* capsuleers can make enemies and hold grudges against people with different opinions, talking with people in a public setting is different from talking 1on1 ingame
* capsuleers can easily network with eachother and form alliances to defeat common foes. friendly people will be happy to offer their help when they see you are clearly in conflict with somebody that they also dislike.

how could forums be more integrated into the game?
* forums could be buffed to be able to host every corporation in the game to have their own private forum section.
* while recruiting ingame you can invite people to join corp discussions on forums, will be easier to get a sense of the kind of people you will be corp mates with before you join.
* each persons ingame bio will have a link to the forums and their recent posts. capsuleers that pass you by ingame will be able to understand you better if they see more than just your corp history or when you joined the game.
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i didnt finish writing the idea, i will update later. in the meantime please dont war dec me, and dont send me friendship requests when you see that we have a common foe on this thread.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2015-08-12 03:13:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
* you could stop shifting it up with crap

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TheExtruder
TheExtruder Corporation
#3 - 2015-08-12 03:23:49 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
* you could stop shifting it up with crap


i remember you from another thread where you posted similar response:) you dont like the idea of corporations having their own forum section? please elaborate
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#4 - 2015-08-12 03:45:10 UTC
Forums run by CCP have to adhere to their rules. It be on their server....means if so inclined they can wander in at any time. Its their hardware and bandwidth....they'd be rightfully entitled to this.


This is why you want private servers. You don't have to deal with CCP rules.


CCP has this dumb ass rule about not outing ccp employees for example. Even though you can see them on eve tv and meet and greets, You can't call them by their pre-ccp name no matter how well they were known before becoming CCP XYZ. Mintchip would probably be the only exception I can think of to this because well....she did not take a very unique name when she joined CCP lol. Lets see how right I am here....will ISD remove prior sentence?


And other stuff. Profanity, personal attacks, etc. Some people just need to a called a f'ing moron sometimes.....no need to make it all pc and polysyllabic and sound nice and pretty. rude and vulgar....sometimes the only way to get to the point across really. Sometimes you have to make an insult sound insulting basically.



Many crews have own sites up. Assuming admins are even half decent there is that one public facing form thread for non members to see. Me...I take corp/alliance run site and KB and as kind of requirement for a crew to get points for deciding to join. They expect things from me...I expect they can scare up a server of some kind for this.


TheExtruder
TheExtruder Corporation
#5 - 2015-08-12 05:03:09 UTC  |  Edited by: TheExtruder
Zan Shiro wrote:
Forums run by CCP have to adhere to their rules. It be on their server....means if so inclined they can wander in at any time. Its their hardware and bandwidth....they'd be rightfully entitled to this.


This is why you want private servers. You don't have to deal with CCP rules.


CCP has this dumb ass rule about not outing ccp employees for example. Even though you can see them on eve tv and meet and greets, You can't call them by their pre-ccp name no matter how well they were known before becoming CCP XYZ. Mintchip would probably be the only exception I can think of to this because well....she did not take a very unique name when she joined CCP lol. Lets see how right I am here....will ISD remove prior sentence?


And other stuff. Profanity, personal attacks, etc. Some people just need to a called a f'ing moron sometimes.....no need to make it all pc and polysyllabic and sound nice and pretty. rude and vulgar....sometimes the only way to get to the point across really. Sometimes you have to make an insult sound insulting basically.



Many crews have own sites up. Assuming admins are even half decent there is that one public facing form thread for non members to see. Me...I take corp/alliance run site and KB and as kind of requirement for a crew to get points for deciding to join. They expect things from me...I expect they can scare up a server of some kind for this.




i dont have much experience posting in player owned forums, but i think the main issue is its a smaller audience when you want to discuss some specific topic that isnt necessarily a corp related discussion. so you can see why it would make sense to make the eve forums more accessible to capsuleers, you can get to know your corp mates without losing contact with the rest of community, which can inspire more conflict/content because everything you say has consequence and you are accountable not just to your corp mates but to the rest of the world too
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2015-08-12 09:46:26 UTC
So what are you actually suggesting here? Nothing in your OP is a new feature.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#7 - 2015-08-12 10:16:39 UTC
Corps already have their private forum at the very top of the board. Largely unused because it's useless and too limiting.

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My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#8 - 2015-08-12 13:52:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Donnachadh
TheExtruder wrote:
what would be the benefits of making the eve forums more accessible ingame?

* the corporate experience in eve will be enhanced
* corp mates can support eachother on different topics
* corp mates can get to know each other better
* corp mates can communicate while at work/school
* rookies can learn faster about the game by observing the dynamic discuasions on the forums.
* capsuleers are more connected with the community
* capsuleers can keep up with news and events better, both official and player made
* capsuleers can get more involved in eve politics
* capsuleers can get more interest for the events they are hosting
* capsuleers can recruit faster and more accurately
* capsuleers can make enemies and hold grudges against people with different opinions, talking with people in a public setting is different from talking 1on1 ingame

Nothing, there are no benefits to it that do not already exist in game.

If corp members do not communicate with each other using the tools already in game (hint corp chat channel) what makes you think they will communicate here when they are in game?

Corp mates can support one another here if they choose to do so, how does your idea change this?

How can posting here allow you to get to know one another better?
I mean I routinely share personal information with my corp mates in the corp chat window that I would never post here the same thing goes for using the in game mail.
If you want to know what your corp mates think about a topic here on the forums simply send them the link by mail and ask them. You can do that from right here in the forums you know.

Those rookies can still learn from these forums, all you have to do is send them the link and advise them to look into the goings on here. Having it in game does not make it more likely to happen.

Not going to waste the space to respond to anymore of these since it is all moot anyway. The in game browser is slated to be removed so you can already accomplish this by doing now what you will have to do then and that is keeping a browser open along with the client.
TheExtruder
TheExtruder Corporation
#9 - 2015-08-12 16:05:44 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
TheExtruder wrote:
what would be the benefits of making the eve forums more accessible ingame?

* the corporate experience in eve will be enhanced
* corp mates can support eachother on different topics
* corp mates can get to know each other better
* corp mates can communicate while at work/school
* rookies can learn faster about the game by observing the dynamic discuasions on the forums.
* capsuleers are more connected with the community
* capsuleers can keep up with news and events better, both official and player made
* capsuleers can get more involved in eve politics
* capsuleers can get more interest for the events they are hosting
* capsuleers can recruit faster and more accurately
* capsuleers can make enemies and hold grudges against people with different opinions, talking with people in a public setting is different from talking 1on1 ingame

Nothing, there are no benefits to it that do not already exist in game.

If corp members do not communicate with each other using the tools already in game (hint corp chat channel) what makes you think they will communicate here when they are in game?

Corp mates can support one another here if they choose to do so, how does your idea change this?

How can posting here allow you to get to know one another better?
I mean I routinely share personal information with my corp mates in the corp chat window that I would never post here the same thing goes for using the in game mail.
If you want to know what your corp mates think about a topic here on the forums simply send them the link by mail and ask them. You can do that from right here in the forums you know.

Those rookies can still learn from these forums, all you have to do is send them the link and advise them to look into the goings on here. Having it in game does not make it more likely to happen.

Not going to waste the space to respond to anymore of these since it is all moot anyway. The in game browser is slated to be removed so you can already accomplish this by doing now what you will have to do then and that is keeping a browser open along with the client.


if these forums largely replaced the need for private owned forums, and if the forums played a bigger part in how players experience being part of a corporation, we would be much better off. one of the reasons being keeping in touch even when not ingame (kinda like what im doing right now, im not ingame and yet im still enjoying an aspect of the eve universe and im connected to the community) but not connected to my corp in any meaningful way while away.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#10 - 2015-08-13 02:54:34 UTC
TheExtruder wrote:
if these forums largely replaced the need for private owned forums, and if the forums played a bigger part in how players experience being part of a corporation, we would be much better off. one of the reasons being keeping in touch even when not ingame (kinda like what im doing right now, im not ingame and yet im still enjoying an aspect of the eve universe and im connected to the community) but not connected to my corp in any meaningful way while away.

And you and your corpm mates can easily do all of this now.
You can communicate here.
You can exchange emails both in and out of the game and communicate that way.
You can exchange phone numbers and talk to each other.
You can use a team speak channel to communicate as well. Hell for that matter if you do not want to spend the money for a TS server you can always use the in game voice chat capability. In fact as I write this I am having a conversation on Team Speak with 5 of my corp mates from 4 different countries and I am not even in game at the moment.

But you avoided the most important question so here it is again.
If you and your corp mates do not talk now, or for that matter if anyone and their corp mates do not talk to each other using the myriad of tools available what makes you think they will magically talk because these forums are integrated into the game.
Nyalnara
Marauder Initiative
#11 - 2015-08-13 07:10:41 UTC
Cost of decent hosting for private forum is 2€/m, TS is 5€/m on top of that. If nobody from your little community is able to spare that "much", or willing to do so, then no one cares about said community, and having CCP hosted private forums will definitely NOT be read, since no one cares. Why would CCP throw devs-time at something that all serious corporations already invested themselves in? If you want for your community to live, maybe you should try it yourself, not wait for CCP to do it instead of you. You remember me of WoW players, who think they are entitled to content. Well, no, in Eve, you have to create your content yourself. CCP is providing you the tools (Eve) to do so, but you've got to do the work part yourself. And community is content, so...

Now, you've got two choices: either get to work, and see your community rise, or do nothing and see it fail.

French half-noob.

Non, je ne suis pas gentil.