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Griefers, Stop moaning

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#61 - 2015-08-11 19:37:47 UTC
Generally speaking the rights that you have in eve are determined by your ability to apply and survive large quantities of projectile impacts, high energy coherent light and ionizing particle radiation.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2015-08-11 20:12:57 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
*sigh* I just want easy market access next to my pvp. Why should I have to go 20 jumps to null when I can get a duel in system or go five for freighter ganking?

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Domino Vyse
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Good Sax
#63 - 2015-08-11 20:30:14 UTC
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Mortlake
Republic Military School
#64 - 2015-08-11 20:35:51 UTC
I'm old enough to have experienced lead based paint and additive riddled chocolate cigarettes, and consumed a fair quantity of both.

Blaming me for my actions is like slapping a quadriplegic kitten for peeing on the rug.

The OP is a hate enabler and nothing more. I'm the victim here.

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Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#65 - 2015-08-11 20:39:03 UTC
If you don't like it, grow a pair and fight back. Every ship I fly, even doing PvE, has a scram on it.

Adapt or die. That is Eve.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#66 - 2015-08-11 20:39:09 UTC
Mortlake wrote:
I'm old enough to have experienced lead based paint and additive riddled chocolate cigarettes, and consumed a fair quantity of both.

Blaming me for my actions is like slapping a quadriplegic kitten for peeing on the rug.

The OP is a hate enabler and nothing more. I'm the victim here.

Well done sir, I nearly felt sorry for you there for a moment.

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Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#67 - 2015-08-11 21:20:16 UTC
I have a theory: Robert de Lyse works for the Great Lakes Popcorn Company (Port Clinton/ OH) IRL and keeps making these threads to boost global popcorn consumption.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Bellatrix Invicta
Doomheim
#68 - 2015-08-11 23:11:28 UTC
Robert De Lyse wrote:
What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP? To FORCE them to play how you want to play? To FORCE them to change there mission/industrial/exploration play styles to PVP against you?

What gives you the RIGHT to FORCE PLAYERS TO PLAY THE GAME how you want to? You don't want to be FORCED into low/null/wh's.


My Light Neutron Blaster IIs and Void S give me that right. You have the right to try and stop me. I'd really appreciate it if you guys would actually try that before crying and whining. Stand up for yourselves, eh?

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#69 - 2015-08-12 00:07:04 UTC
Robert De Lyse wrote:
What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP? To FORCE them to play how you want to play? To FORCE them to change there mission/industrial/exploration play styles to PVP against you?

What gives you the RIGHT to FORCE PLAYERS TO PLAY THE GAME how you want to? You don't want to be FORCED into low/null/wh's.


EVE at its core is a pvp game, so it's a bit much to say we're forcing you to change how you play since it's up to you whether you choose to adapt to varying play styles or not. On the flipside the pve crowd demand game mechanic changes to change how we play the game.

Who is forcing who?

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#70 - 2015-08-12 03:21:44 UTC
Cobbler Khan wrote:
I dont know why everyone is giving you a hard time, i 100% agree with this post

There are a ton of things to do in eve. Industry, mining, pve, pve, salvaging, exploration. Eve isnt ONLY a pvp game. How do you get ships and modules? How do you make isk? How do you get components to build stuff?

Just because a majority of players like to do pvp, doesnt make eve a "pvp only game you have to pvp or else" sure its the most popular thing to do, but there are other things to do in eve



Uh, I steal things from other players, shoot their ships and melt down substandard components from them.
I then mix in the refined bits with copious amounts of my special sauce (pod goo and tears) to make more modules and ships.
Sometimes I even sell these things... but usually I sell the non-substandard (ie, shiny) modules to make ISK.

So long as mission npcs and rats keep dropping stuff there's a steady supply of junk just waiting to be repurposed out there.
Likewise, so long as mission runners keep doing silly things there's also a steady supply of shiny modules just waiting to be plundered out there as well.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#71 - 2015-08-12 05:21:18 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
what i mean is wardeccing a corp and forcing them to stay in a station because thats all they feel they can do is not really player freedom, wardecs are removing freedom from a player to benefit another player. sorta thing


A war declaration has exactly zero effect on the ability of players to do anything. You can still mine, run missions and incursions and transport goods in exactly the same way as you could while not at war. If players feel that because they are at war they can't undock that restriction is entirely self imposed and as such they can free themselves of it at any time if they so desire.

The actual danger faced by people at war is incredibly variable based on who they are a war with, their proximity to that group and other variables, but essentially it just amounts to an increase in risk that needs to be accounted for and mitigated where possible.

In situations where players will do nothing but sit docked while at war what is really happening is the player is placing the value of their virtual property above the value of their gameplay: "it's better to not play at all than it is to lose a ship" or corp/alliance leadership making similar decision on the behalf of its members.

It's neither the war itself nor the aggressors who are responsible for them remaining docked, they have no control over that. In fact they'd prefer a continuation of activity, generally speaking. It is all a matter of the attitude of the defenders and their willingness to respond to emergent situations in a way that provides them with gameplay.

Is there a solution to that? I don't really know if it's actually a problem or even care for that matter. People are welcome to destroy their own game experience by sitting docked in a station for weeks at a time if they want, alternatively they can go join a different corp.


You can't argue the current situation is great though surely? I mean if you wanted to violence one of my boats you would have to suicide gank it and concord is a terrible mechanic. If you war decced me, my available reasonable options become dont undock on this character until you stop wasting isk on the war dec or drop corp and make a new one. If you war decc the new one, just go live in an npc corp for a bit. Thats TERRIBLE game play for both of us. What isn't a reasonable option for me, in fact its verging on moronic, is to undock in a venture, a badger or a missioning rattlesnake under your war dec. That would be stupid, I would deserve to be killed and expect to be mocked for it. Nor would it be reasonable for me to undock in a pvp fit cruiser and come look for you. You would annihilate me with your off grid boosters, neutral logi alts and bat phoned allies.

The current state of play is that the high sec pvp community has such an apparantly high bar of entry , which the odds stacked so high against the pvers, that those who want a mixed game of pve/pvp are better served dodging war decs and just going to low sec for fun and pew pew. Wouldn't it be so much better if we got rid of concord, war decs and armed pve ships to not be flying coffins if pvped? This is a pvp game right? so why not make ALL ships pvp wether for fight or for flight?

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takedoom
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2015-08-12 05:38:14 UTC
The one thing I noticed with greifers: if you grief them they whine 2x as much as a care bear and its hilarious.

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#73 - 2015-08-12 06:09:42 UTC
takedoom wrote:
The one thing I noticed with greifers: if you grief them they whine 2x as much as a care bear and its hilarious.

I remember a fair amount of bitching in a certain channel about a certain eviction people experienced. You may be onto something hereLol

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#74 - 2015-08-12 06:13:03 UTC
takedoom wrote:
The one thing I noticed with greifers: if you grief them they whine 2x as much as a care bear and its hilarious.
Putting that thought aside, what do you consider griefing?

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Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2015-08-12 06:38:17 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


The better player wins in a contest of opposite intents.


That made me chuckle.
Avvy
Doomheim
#76 - 2015-08-12 06:40:40 UTC
takedoom wrote:
The one thing I noticed with greifers: if you grief them they whine 2x as much as a care bear and its hilarious.



The one thing I notice is people use the words griefer, griefers and griefing far to often, when no griefing has even occurred.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2015-08-12 06:44:02 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Generally speaking the rights that you have in eve are determined by your ability to apply and survive large quantities of projectile impacts, high energy coherent light and ionizing particle radiation.


Aren't you forgetting something?
Mortlake
Republic Military School
#78 - 2015-08-12 06:48:38 UTC
From now on, you will refer to me as 'Apache'.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#79 - 2015-08-12 07:35:58 UTC
Mortlake wrote:
From now on, you will refer to me as 'Apache'.
I lost it completely at "dropping hot sticky loads on disgusting foreigners"

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Robert De Lyse
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#80 - 2015-08-12 08:52:50 UTC
wow 4 pages of hostile responses from griefers

What a surprise.