Crime & Punishment

That's why it's PvP. The better player wins in a contest of opposite intents.

Since they are almost universally the inferior players, they hate that fact. That's why they argue to take the choice itself away from the other side.





Yes, it is. No one has the freedom to not have to defend themselves, however.

Avoiding being a victim in no way restricts what I do or where I go. I regularly haul through Uedama, I often mine in systems claimed by CODE.; still haven't exploded doing either.

*touches wood, not that kind of wood you perverts

If only you could drop corp, or drop and reform to avoid a war dec...

The fence tends to be uncomfortable, I prefer a chair myself.

Way I see it, this game is a PvP game so you can choose what you want to do but you can't choose what you want others to do to you (as long as it's not actual griefing).

I'll use WoW as an example only because of their different types of servers.

PvP servers - PvE players play on these as well as PvP player as they like to look over their shoulders and feel there's actually a threat to them.

PvE servers - as well as PvE players you get casual PvP players, the casual PvP players like to PvE and only PvP when they want to, via arenas and battlegrounds.

EVE being a PvP game, it's not really a casual PvP game only way not to PvP is to try and avoid it.

Tried to read the OP, but almost drowned in his tears after only a few sentences.

god forbid mission runners and highsec pvers have to actually interact with other players in an mmo

Everyone has equal opportunity to access and use all the tools available in-game.

Why do the carebears ignore that wealth of opportunity and instead cry for CCP to make a theme-park just for them?

I find it remarkable that a corp thief has an argument against griefing.

Honestly, I'll steal jet cans, bump your ship, loot your missions, and smack you in local. I always keep it polite but my objective is always to pick a fight... Sometimes someone gets mad.

That's pretty much how fights get picked.

You, however, use a much more insidious method: lying to people while developing relationships with them and then stealing the output of months of their time.

I find your playstyle distasteful because you value isk (which isn't an especially meaningful substance) over relationships.

I'm glad you are in the game because you are a threat to be considered, however I think you make every crime i've ever committed, ever war I've waged, and every noob I've blasted seem like a collection of kindnesses.

When I get done killing someone's ship, he always knows that I picked a fight, he accepted a risk, and his decisions resulted in a degree of loss. We all know the first rule of Eve.

When you get done they feel betrayal, insecurity with the social framework of eve, and quite frequently as though they're "starting over".

For you to judge the traditional griefer for picking fights and hunting targets is the equivalent of Bernie Madoff judging a child for shoplifting.

I think you're probably just the kind of person who doesn't value relationships, isn't sharp enough to master game mechanics, and lies to himself an awful lot.

I am imagining that, no matter how hot you are, you don't make friends very well.

I find your judgement of griefers meaningless and difficult to understand. You make us look like public servants.

you should be able to declare war on individuals at the same rate as a corporation

We made unwanted physical contact in his special place