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Customs Office being taken over as normal by big corps
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Lord Ryan
True Xero
#101 - 2011-12-09 17:51:45 UTC
I haven't bothered to read more than a couple post, but anyways. If some corp owns all the whatever, just kill all thier whatevers. sounds like that big corp has more to lose than you. for the right isk i'll kill all thier whatevers for you.

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#102 - 2011-12-09 18:04:51 UTC
DAMN YOU TEAMWORK!!!!
Lone Gunman
Forhotea Corporation
#103 - 2011-12-09 18:28:25 UTC
Lord Ryan wrote:
I haven't bothered to read more than a couple post, but anyways. If some corp owns all the whatever, just kill all thier whatevers. sounds like that big corp has more to lose than you. for the right isk i'll kill all thier whatevers for you.


Please read all of the post before commenting, there are game mechanics in place that make it a little more complicated than that.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#104 - 2011-12-09 18:43:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
You know, people have tried to help you out in this thread but you consistantly refuse it.

The corp that is developing low sec in your area let you know putting up your PCO's was a bad idea and why. They certainly didn't have to do that. Instead they could have waited and let you learn the hard way. You are mad that they made plans that conflict with yours.

The corp that is developing the area is keeping a reasonable tax rate for neutrals, possibly a better one for blues. You won't even take the steps to find out. Instead, you are mad that you can't get the materials for free.

Many idea's have been thown out there, some good some bad, and you ignore them... instead insisting that open competition for resource infrastructure and player control over this aspect of industry isn't fair.

Taken all together this makes you precisely one of 5 things:

1: Mentally incompetent.
2: Monumentally lazy.
3: Motivated purely by blind greed.
4: Trolling.
5: All of the above.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#105 - 2011-12-09 18:54:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
lab geek011 wrote:
I love eve but its always the same the 2 man corp stands no chance against the big ones, As you prob notice the customs offices are being taken over and its always the big corps that are having them

sure there may be the odd 1 or 2 smaller corps that have a couple but in my system alone there is one corp with numbers over 90+ and they have taken over all the customs offices, when speaking it was told plain and simple, if you put on up you will lose it.

there is no way to compete against it, i know i will be flamed for this but dont care, there should be a cap limit on the amount a corp can have as with most things in eve there are limits what you can do, that way

- it gives everyone chance to own some
- the big corps will challenge the high income areas
- they cannot then just put as many as possible up
- makes it fair

as a exampe the corp that has taken over my system has also taken over my friends which is over 12 jumps away and i would assume there are alot more system they have taken over. The income they will get is massive so its in there interest to get as many as possible

yes people will say join bigger corps or have more people but some of us dont want that its like a corner shop owner vs a large megastore



People will say "Works as intended" and "Hello Kitty Online is that way-->" and "HTFU" but in a few months they will be in these same forums raging about carebears in yet another "why is lowsec/0.0 do empty" thread.

How hard are these POCOs to destroy?
Can they be raided? Wouldn't that be cool?

They will probably never be raidable - you see this is a common problem in EvE. Let the big guys control a lot of stuff, but don't make them have to constantly check on and patrol "their" assets. So they can then sit back and lord it up over their gate-camping renters and rake in the ISK.


Then people get bored.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#106 - 2011-12-09 19:02:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Lone Gunman wrote:
Concord doesn't charge 17% only 10%, same as the Alliances taking over the Low Customs offices so there is no reason to go in low.
So again…

Before the patch, the lowsec tax was the same as the highsec tax, and it was obviously worth going to lowsec to do PI for the higher yields. But now, after the patch, the lowsec tax is the same as the highsec tax, so now it's obviously not worth going to lowsec any more.

Yeah, that makes sense… if you've had some massive cranial intrusion. Roll
Cloora
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
#107 - 2011-12-09 19:12:47 UTC
Lone Gunman wrote:
Lord Ryan wrote:
I haven't bothered to read more than a couple post, but anyways. If some corp owns all the whatever, just kill all thier whatevers. sounds like that big corp has more to lose than you. for the right isk i'll kill all thier whatevers for you.


Please read all of the post before commenting, there are game mechanics in place that make it a little more complicated than that.


No he's got it right. You are wrong. Kill their POCOs if you think they have too many. If they successfully defend it, then they don't have too many.

http://www.altaholics.blogspot.com
Alistair Cononach
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#108 - 2011-12-09 19:17:58 UTC
lab geek011 wrote:
I love eve but its always the same the 2 man corp stands no chance against the big ones, As you prob notice the customs offices are being taken over and its always the big corps that are having them


I'm curious why you feel you are owed a Customs Office for a two-man Corp in a competative environement.

Are you saying your two-man corp deserves the Customs Office more than a 500 man Corp or 1,200 man Alliance does?

If so, what is your rationale that the two of you are more important than the 500 of them?

Also, what is your rationale, in a competative environment, that two men should be able to fight off 500 for ownership of something?

If you want uncontested use of a Customs Office, might I suggest High-Sec?

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yes people will say join bigger corps or have more people but some of us dont want that its like a corner shop owner vs a large megastore


If you "don't want that", then by logical extention, you do not want what comes along with "that".

One of those things is the abillity to have control over Customs Offices smaller groups may also want.

There are few "get your cake and eat it too" scenarios for small groups in EVE, or in the real world. Manpower, and the abillity to control it and direct it, generally rules the roost.

Sorry for your difficulties.
mnybag1
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#109 - 2011-12-09 19:40:54 UTC
lab geek011 wrote:
What annoyed me is that CCP lied to us as they stated in a post that the customs offices would be "decommissioned and removed", they never said they would need to be destoryed so hence my annoyance when i purchased 6 to put up (not being greedy)

Quote from a post they did

"Customs Offices in all Low Sec, 0.0 and Wormhole systems will be decommissioned and removed. Customs Offices in High Sec will remain under the authority of CONCORD who will, in turn, charge doubled import and export taxes. Customs Offices are now targetable and destructible."

then when i went to put them up i only got to find out they were not removed but had to be destroyed, i have petitioned it but still awaiting a reply as ive lost alot of isk by buying them

Guess what they have not replied back



....They then a few weeks later released another dev blog stating that that system was going to change and that the low and null sec poses would not just disappear. if they had, alot more people would have been yelling at the inibiltiy to access their planets... I recommend not having selective reading.
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#110 - 2011-12-09 19:48:48 UTC
lab geek011 wrote:
yes people will say join bigger corps or have more people but some of us dont want that its like a corner shop owner vs a large megastore


I understand what you're saying. And, I don't mean this to be rude, or harsh, but if you're going to go lowkey with your style of participation, it would seem there's some things you'll have to forego as they are intended for a more highkey game.

As I understand the customs office, it's to extract tolls, essentially, for passage. It would seem having the power to own the system (which includes enforcing your sovereignty) has to come first. Charging people for passing through would then be an expression of your power to control the zone.

Alas and alack, a two-man corp just isn't going to make it unless you find a corner that's relatively quiet...then why have a customs office, as you'd likely not make back the money it costs to build and maintain it?

The primary goal would seem to be, therefore, to have a corporation with the manpower, skills and experience to pull off some of these more epic feats. Those of us who prefer a more lowkey game must live vicariously through their activities (and endure their crowing about them.)

Ugh

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Lone Gunman
Forhotea Corporation
#111 - 2011-12-09 19:59:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Lone Gunman
Khorian wrote:
i totally agree with the op. for example its not fair that ccp took the t2 monopolies away. now everyone and their mother can produce t2 cap rechargers and damage controls. there are now armies of people producing t2 items. thats just not fair. but nooo ccp with its tunnel vision thought it would be best for eve. how often do "we" have to say it again and again: competition is bad for a competitive pvp driven mmo. but they just don't care! it really is OUTRAGEOUS!

Ranger 1 wrote:

In order:
Actually, it was the perfect example... for precisely the reason you state.
Comprehension... work on it..

Khorian was being sarcastic. His point was that when CCP made a mistake with Tech 2 BPO’s that all went to the Alliances they remedied the situation with invention which leveled the playing field for everyone else (Somewhat). Khorian was equating Invention with the recent changes in PI to make it more competitive but CCP is actually doing the reverse, where there was a level playing field before Crucible now there is again an alliance monopoly which is the same thing as creating a tech 2 BPO . But so far CCP has refused to admit that they screwed up, so it was a bad example.
Ranger 1 wrote:

Yes, he put Concord instead of InterBus. The point still stands. You were offered the same tax rate as high sec with larger low sec volume available equals more money than you would make in high sec. And have you approached them for standings and a better rate yet? Or looked at any other area's for a better deal?
Logic... work on it.

So I have been it this system since PI was deployed and now that the Alliance has moved in I now should move? Thank you for making my point for me.
Ranger 1 wrote:
There is a lot more to the game play in EVE, including the industrial activites, than simply click = make money... as you are finding out.

Yes so the big alliances should be the only ones to Click =make money?
Ranger 1 wrote:
You know, people have tried to help you out in this thread but you consistently(sp)refuse it.
Taken all together this makes you precisely one of 5 things:

1: Mentally incompetent.
2: Monumentally lazy.
3: Motivated purely by blind greed.
4: Trolling.
5: All of the above.


Typical Forum troll when someone has a different point of view than you, you then resort to insults.

My point is and as Tippia has stated, please tell us why anybody doing PI in High security should move to Low for the same tax rate and have to deal with the gate camps, pirates and asshats? The alliances knew this and are why they are keeping the tax rate the same as high sec. The alliances that have a lower tax rate like the Minmi Militia and Starfaction are just trying to lure targets into their space.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#112 - 2011-12-09 20:13:24 UTC
"I'm finding that there are too many players in this massively multiplayer online internet spaceship game."

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#113 - 2011-12-09 20:19:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Lone Gunman wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Yes, he put Concord instead of InterBus. The point still stands. You were offered the same tax rate as high sec with larger low sec volume available equals more money than you would make in high sec. And have you approached them for standings and a better rate yet? Or looked at any other area's for a better deal?
Logic... work on it.

So I have been it this system since PI was deployed and now that the Alliance has moved in I now should move?

No, you are saying that you have to move. Everyone else is saying that there is no reason to do so.
Quote:
My point is and as Tippia has stated, please tell us why anybody doing PI in High security should move to Low for the same tax rate and have to deal with the gate camps, pirates and asshats?
Please don't include me in your incoherent ramblings. I have stated the exact opposite: since they're providing the exact same tax rate, the situation is exactly the same as before the patch, and as it happens, before the patch, lowsec was very good for PI. The trouble from the supposed camps, pirates and asshats was and still is next to zero (and if anything, this change allows you to deal with them even less than before). If you did it back then, you can do it now. If you didn't do it then, then you have nothing to complain about anyway, so shush.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#114 - 2011-12-09 20:25:29 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Lone Gunman wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Yes, he put Concord instead of InterBus. The point still stands. You were offered the same tax rate as high sec with larger low sec volume available equals more money than you would make in high sec. And have you approached them for standings and a better rate yet? Or looked at any other area's for a better deal?
Logic... work on it.

So I have been it this system since PI was deployed and now that the Alliance has moved in I now should move?

No, you are saying that you have to move. Everyone else is saying that there is no reason to do so.
Quote:
My point is and as Tippia has stated, please tell us why anybody doing PI in High security should move to Low for the same tax rate and have to deal with the gate camps, pirates and asshats?
Please don't include me in your incoherent ramblings. I have stated the exact opposite: since they're providing the exact same tax rate, the situation is exactly the same as before the patch, and as it happens, before the patch, lowsec was very good for PI. The trouble from the supposed camps, pirates and asshats was and still is next to zero (and if anything, this change allows you to deal with them even less than before). If you did it back then, you can do it now. If you didn't do it then, then you have nothing to complain about anyway, so shush.


Wait, wait, don't blow it for him.

He's trying a new technique... that being to claim that people who tell him directly where is is incorrect are actually agreeing with him, and that people who present facts to back up thier point of view are actually trolling.

I want to see how this works out for him. Smile

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2011-12-09 20:28:27 UTC
lab geek011 wrote:
I love eve but its always the same the 2 man corp stands no chance


I stopped reading right there because...

DUH!

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Lone Gunman
Forhotea Corporation
#116 - 2011-12-09 20:43:24 UTC
Tippia wrote:
My point is and as Tippia has stated, please tell us why anybody doing PI in High security should move to Low for the same tax rate and have to deal with the gate camps, pirates and asshats?

Please don't include me in your incoherent ramblings. I have stated the exact opposite: since they're providing the exact same tax rate, the situation is exactly the same as before the patch, and as it happens, before the patch, lowsec was very good for PI. The trouble from the supposed camps, pirates and asshats was and still is next to zero (and if anything, this change allows you to deal with them even less than before). If you did it back then, you can do it now. If you didn't do it then, then you have nothing to complain about anyway, so shush.



Then what was the reason for changing the PI mechanic? The obvious Idea was to raise the taxes significantly in High security and to force people into low and to put their own PCO’s in order to get a tax break. But since the vast majority of the High Sec PI users are unwilling and unable to set up their own operations and move to low the only option is hoping that the Low alliances would have a competitive tax rate, this is not happening , as expected.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#117 - 2011-12-09 20:48:39 UTC
Lone Gunman wrote:
Tippia wrote:
My point is and as Tippia has stated, please tell us why anybody doing PI in High security should move to Low for the same tax rate and have to deal with the gate camps, pirates and asshats?

Please don't include me in your incoherent ramblings. I have stated the exact opposite: since they're providing the exact same tax rate, the situation is exactly the same as before the patch, and as it happens, before the patch, lowsec was very good for PI. The trouble from the supposed camps, pirates and asshats was and still is next to zero (and if anything, this change allows you to deal with them even less than before). If you did it back then, you can do it now. If you didn't do it then, then you have nothing to complain about anyway, so shush.



Then what was the reason for changing the PI mechanic? The obvious Idea was to raise the taxes significantly in High security and to force people into low and to put their own PCO’s in order to get a tax break. But since the vast majority of the High Sec PI users are unwilling and unable to set up their own operations and move to low the only option is hoping that the Low alliances would have a competitive tax rate, this is not happening , as expected.


Except, of course, that by your own admission that is exactly what IS happening.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#118 - 2011-12-09 20:54:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Lone Gunman wrote:
Then what was the reason for changing the PI mechanic?
To give people more sand to play with.

The obvious idea is to provide a margin that POCO-owners can use — should they choose to — to draw in customers and/or to lock out competition, while at the same time switching the ISK sink around geographically.

By the way, having the same tax rate as CONCORD is having a competitive tax rate: it means people in the area have no immediate reason to move back to highsec.
Myz Toyou
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#119 - 2011-12-09 21:32:03 UTC
I´m playing this game now since 6 years straight and over the time the ammount of people who joined EVE and tried playing it like in single person mode grew with every year.
I dont have a problem with that tbh, what annoys/irritates me is that these people think the game should obey to their playstyle and they should have the same chances ingame as people who invest in the social aspect of EVE aka joining a corp that contains more then yourself and your alts.
I guess its just a sign of the last decades that these people startet playing video games before they learned to interact with other humans, maybe even in RL Shocked

I can only hope CCP will never obey to those antisocialinmomsbasementlivingneckbeards.
Lone Gunman
Forhotea Corporation
#120 - 2011-12-09 22:03:50 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Except, of course, that by your own admission that is exactly what IS happening.

Tippia wrote:
By the way, having the same tax rate as CONCORD is having a competitive tax rate: it means people in the area have no immediate reason to move back to highsec.


Geez, who’s on first?

If low sec has the same tax rate as high sec , it is not competitive when you take in to consideration the risked involved in operating in low security, even with the increased yields which by the way have not changed. There was no reason to change the PI mechanic if it was just going just keep the same people in low who were already there, come-on.

With this in mind there is no reason for anyone doing PI in High security to take the time to move their operations to Low security. The only thing that changed was that the Major Alliances now have control of a section of the sandbox that used to be on a level playing field. The money that used to go into an ISK sink now goes to the Alliances to make them more money to take more control of low and eventually squeeze everybody but their pets out.