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Mackinaw - Confusing Bonuses
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Handsome Hussein
#21 - 2011-12-08 21:54:44 UTC
arcca jeth wrote:
ima bout to close my eyes and imagine myself "doing the deed" all over your face! Cool lol

Confirming that he is, in fact, mad.

Leaves only the fresh scent of pine.
Horatius Caul
Kitzless
#22 - 2011-12-08 21:55:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Horatius Caul
arcca jeth wrote:
thank you Krios

jesus it's like you cant even ask a question anymore without the trolls smacktalking
But you didn't phrase it as a serious question, you made a joke out of it. Sure, one might expect there to be a reasonable response either way, but I'm sure some people saw it as mocking or trolling from your own end, even if you didn't intend for that (no matter how much your subsequent posts seem to point to it...).

If you had phrased your question humbly and genuinely, I'm certain you would have received a proper response. Failing that, you can ask in the newbie board - I think that has the lowest ratio of unhelpful cads per capita. I'm sure one of the specialized boards dealing with industry could also help, though they tend to be a bit more insular.

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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#23 - 2011-12-08 21:56:13 UTC
no actually im laughing that you feel the need to troll a post about a simple confusing moment i was having and then suggested I quit. which is funny because after having this toon 5 years and having an additional 4 for a total of 5, obviously you can see that I have fun playing this game and am not going to quit because you live under a bridge
Handsome Hussein
#24 - 2011-12-08 21:57:14 UTC
arcca jeth wrote:
no actually im laughing that you feel the need to troll a post about a simple confusing moment i was having and then suggested I quit. which is funny because after having this toon 5 years and having an additional 4 for a total of 5, obviously you can see that I have fun playing this game and am not going to quit because you live under a bridge

You need to get those cataracts taken care of and then read the whole thread again. Then you'll realize that you're just mad.

Leaves only the fresh scent of pine.
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#25 - 2011-12-08 21:59:11 UTC
Horatius Caul wrote:
arcca jeth wrote:
thank you Krios

jesus it's like you cant even ask a question anymore without the trolls smacktalking
But you didn't phrase it as a serious question, you made a joke out of it. Sure, one might expect there to be a reasonable response either way, but I'm sure some people saw it as mocking or trolling from your own end, even if you didn't intend for that (no matter how much your subsequent posts seem to point to it...).

If you had phrased your question humbly and genuinely, I'm certain you would have received a proper response. Failing that, you can ask in the newbie board - I think that has the lowest ratio of unhelpful cads per capita. I'm sure one of the specialized boards dealing with industry could also help, though they tend to be a bit more insular.


whats the point of negating the bonus to ice harvester duration? why give it the initial bonus to begin with?

i see 2 question marks there...but whatever if you want to say i was asking for it then i was asking for it but the IT i was asking for was some clarification...but now I'm soo mad im going to go cancel my 5 subs. thanks for costing CCP some money and the loss of a 5 year customer, make CCP proud people, make CCP proud Roll
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#26 - 2011-12-08 21:59:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
arcca jeth wrote:
no actually im laughing that you feel the need to troll a post about a simple confusing moment i was having and then suggested I quit. which is funny because after having this toon 5 years and having an additional 4 for a total of 5, obviously you can see that I have fun playing this game and am not going to quit because you live under a bridge


pointing out that you can do more work for less risk in the same time is trolling now?

yup, can't please mad pubbies



and the bonus is applied to the class and the ship
one bonus gives the class a bonus based on skill level
the ship bonus doubles the yield and negates the bonus for the class so its not OP

for why it was implemented like this you'd have to ask CCP
Jenshae Chiroptera
#27 - 2011-12-08 22:00:19 UTC
Wait for the crying when he realises that ships with shield and armour resist bonuses generally have lower resists than other ships of the same class. P

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Senshi Hawk
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2011-12-08 22:05:47 UTC
Yes, it cancels each other out and is aesthetically redundant. But it is nothing new to games with this sort of bonus system. Look at, say, a card game where a certain monster of "fire" gets 1x health and then add a buffer card for 25% health. But each "class" each has it's own buffer card, and the buffer card played happens to be "water" which gets a -25% reduction when played on fire base.

In this spot it would show up quite the same. 1x base health, buffered +25% to 1.25, reduced by 25% to 1.00. It's pointless to tell people, but the dynamics of the game require it to be displayed accordingly, because the bonus in question isn't unique to the Mackinaw.
Arjola Elongur
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2011-12-08 22:12:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Arjola Elongur
arcca jeth wrote:
Horatius Caul wrote:
arcca jeth wrote:
thank you Krios

jesus it's like you cant even ask a question anymore without the trolls smacktalking
But you didn't phrase it as a serious question, you made a joke out of it. Sure, one might expect there to be a reasonable response either way, but I'm sure some people saw it as mocking or trolling from your own end, even if you didn't intend for that (no matter how much your subsequent posts seem to point to it...).

If you had phrased your question humbly and genuinely, I'm certain you would have received a proper response. Failing that, you can ask in the newbie board - I think that has the lowest ratio of unhelpful cads per capita. I'm sure one of the specialized boards dealing with industry could also help, though they tend to be a bit more insular.


whats the point of negating the bonus to ice harvester duration? why give it the initial bonus to begin with?


Well yes, technically you might have asked a question, since your sentence ended with a question mark.

But it surely sounded like you already decided the whole bonuses were confusing, misleading and ultimately non-sense.
Combining that with the fact that you simply ignored one part of the quoted bonuses (the +100% yield) and you get something that resembles the usual trolling / strawman debate pattern.

And maybe don't try to get so hung up on "Oh, I asked a question".
Technically "umad?" is question as well and from here it looked like you were quite offended by that.


EDIT:
And before you get even more confused about the bonuses being the way they are.
You cannot get a 25% bonus to ice mining yield, because the normal yield is 1 block per cycle and there are no quarter blocks. So any improvement to yield must be a multiple of 100%.
Since that is too much per level (at least for CCP) you receive a penalty to the time to even that out a little.
That penalty is then decreased by training to still give you an improvement per level.
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#30 - 2011-12-08 22:15:17 UTC
ty for the helpful responses, although I have mined quite a bit in my time, surprisingly never have been an Ice miner and never once owned a Mac

yes i was mad i can admit my fingers turned to jelly and my face got red Oops i think i cracked my monitor when i punched it too, damn, this is getting expensive
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#31 - 2011-12-08 22:16:55 UTC
well i know pubbie is an insult but i laugh because i have no clue what it means X
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#32 - 2011-12-08 22:18:44 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Wait for the crying when he realises that ships with shield and armour resist bonuses generally have lower resists than other ships of the same class. P


lol oh comon now, im not THAT confused. i've never flown a mack lol and when looking at the description of the bonuses, i just thought it was confusing. i'm innocent really
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#33 - 2011-12-08 23:04:19 UTC
arcca jeth wrote:
well i know pubbie is an insult but i laugh because i have no clue what it means X




"pubbie" simply means you're not a goon (i.e. from the SA forums), and nice triple post there. You know you can put more than one reply in the same post?

You're question's been answered multiple times. To balance the double ice, it takes longer, but you can get rid of the penalty with training. Have fun and let the thread die.

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#34 - 2011-12-08 23:35:29 UTC
Its because the mackinaw has two turrets instead of the hulk 3. So the math is wierd becuase a big number to make it work as if it has 3 turrets to compete with the hulk but then also a bit better then the hulk at ice mining or else why use it.

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