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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#21 - 2015-08-12 23:23:07 UTC
Legatus1982 wrote:
My suggestion to you is to refrain from the smart ass comments while posting stuff like this. But you're free to make yourself look however you want.


As i have already said, your use of the word exploit was misplaced since the activities listed are not considered exploiting by CCP. If CCP declared these actions exploitation, using them would be banable.

In all these cases you argue with me as a proxy for CCP. Im just telling you how it is, if you have a problem with that you had best speak with CCP themselves.

I know you are fighting hard to remain ignorant. Im just trying to help you adhere to correct terminology so you dont get confused and can better articulate your constant whining.
Legatus1982
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2015-08-13 11:28:03 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Legatus1982 wrote:
My suggestion to you is to refrain from the smart ass comments while posting stuff like this. But you're free to make yourself look however you want.


As i have already said, your use of the word exploit was misplaced since the activities listed are not considered exploiting by CCP. If CCP declared these actions exploitation, using them would be banable.

In all these cases you argue with me as a proxy for CCP. Im just telling you how it is, if you have a problem with that you had best speak with CCP themselves.

I know you are fighting hard to remain ignorant. Im just trying to help you adhere to correct terminology so you dont get confused and can better articulate your constant whining.


http://i.word.com/idictionary/exploit

Learn something for once in your life
Legatus1982
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2015-08-13 11:29:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Legatus1982
Phyrr wrote:
Legatus1982 wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Excuse me if i dont believe you are competent enough to recognise what was going on. Specially with how wrong and ill informed you have been over a multitude of eve related subjects. And then how you glossed over every single example as though you knew it all along lol.

While i dont scorn you for this, eve is a complex game after all, but the sheer bold faced ignorance you display does get tiring.

I have camped the same gate, with the same people and find it highly unlikely that they are abusing some unknown mechanic because its simply easy enough to do it without.

Until CCP rules on an abuse of mechanics it is not an exploit. If any abuse of mechanics is kept secret from CCP that is banable.
I believe CCP is already aware of all abuse of NPC mechanics and everything is currently ok to use as they have not declared them an exploit.

Feel free to go on about what exploit means in different contexts, im not sure how productive that will be since we are talking about EVE and CCP are perfectly clear on how they use the word.


Oh yes, because your own knowledge and skills have demonstrated your intellectual abilities and how superior they are to my own. Quality posts from you such as "you can't build a titan out of incursion loot" and "I'm going to have my dog pilot my links".

The only ability I've seen from you so far is your ability to pay ccp more money for in game advantages.

The word exploit means what it means. CCP decides what you get banned for in eve online, not the definition of the word exploit. This is a stupid deflection on the issue.

My suggestion to you is to refrain from the smart ass comments while posting stuff like this. But you're free to make yourself look however you want.


I can demonstrate superior knowledge than your own if you wish.

A long long time ago in a faction warfare that was but weeks old....you could still fly into high sec hostile space and gank players. I myself dual accounted a destroyer and frigate to Amarr Prime and killed a few pilots, they were quite surprised. The navies chased you around constantly so you had to kill something in a few seconds and warp.

The important part of this story is that back in those days, this was ONLY possible with frigs and destroyers, because each person that entered hostile space spawned an NPC Navy fleet for EACH player. I told a Minnie FC of my antics in high sec and (for science) we took a 70 man fleet of various ships into amarr high sec to begin an assault. Every single one of our ships died, a Navy was spawned for EACH person in the fleet. Much amusement was had at our massacre.

Sometime after this CCP changed the mechanics, so that players could indeed enter hostile high sec space, but at great risk to themselves, but there wouldn't be a navy spawning for each player. The current mechanics are intended and rewards those players that can tank and/or distract the now limited naval fleets of npc hostile space. Not only has this made FW more fun, it's more realistic than seeing several hundred NPC's spawn to deal with a fleet.

I haven't been in FW for sometime, but it sounds like those changes are still current and they are intended. This isn't an exploit, you just clearly aren't old enough to remember when and why these changes were introduced. I don't know if they made changes to this again in that time, but from what I have read in the thread they still seem to be in force.

So do us a favour eh? Stop assuming and making an ass out of u and not me.


So your plan to demonstrate your superior knowledge was to post a stupid pointless 4-6 paragraph story about eve online years ago? While not making any useful contribution at all to the actual discussion or addressing any actual issues? And finish it all off with a declaration about how great you are? Yes I can see now why anyone would take you seriously, rofl

Tell us more about how your dog is piloting your links
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#24 - 2015-08-13 13:09:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
So his contribution was a well informed comment on why the mechanics are like they are, and your contribution to the topic was to call something an exploit that by CCPs own definition is not an exploit.

As for the definition itself. Its often useful to recognise the context in which words are used. For example, the word 'theory' has a much different meaning in day to day vernacular than it does in a scientific context. By the same token, the implications of calling something an exploit in EVE as apposed to its dictionary definition of ' to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage' have different connotations.

In eve, an exploit will get you banned, but ' to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage' is the name of the game. So as you can see, the straight-up dictionary definition is less than useless here.

I know eve is a hard game to walk into, but your attitude of not wanting to learn or improve your understanding will get you nowhere. If you want everything to be fair and rainbow coloured, theres other games out there for you.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#25 - 2015-08-13 14:00:41 UTC
I have never seen a squid whine so much, or be so ill informed.

As far as CCP is concerned, not an exploit. Working as intended. Don't think so? File a petition and stop whining on the forums.
Legatus1982
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2015-08-13 14:48:52 UTC
Oh look another links alt owner is in here defending his buddy imagine my surprise. Your credibility was never higher.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#27 - 2015-08-13 15:02:05 UTC
Just because you changed subject, doesnt make you any less wrong lol.
Legatus1982
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2015-08-13 15:07:07 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
So his contribution was a well informed comment on why the mechanics are like they are, and your contribution to the topic was to call something an exploit that by CCPs own definition is not an exploit.

As for the definition itself. Its often useful to recognise the context in which words are used. For example, the word 'theory' has a much different meaning in day to day vernacular than it does in a scientific context. By the same token, the implications of calling something an exploit in EVE as apposed to its dictionary definition of ' to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage' have different connotations.

In eve, an exploit will get you banned, but ' to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage' is the name of the game. So as you can see, the straight-up dictionary definition is less than useless here.

I know eve is a hard game to walk into, but your attitude of not wanting to learn or improve your understanding will get you nowhere. If you want everything to be fair and rainbow coloured, theres other games out there for you.


So basically this entire time you are deflecting the real issue with the definition of the word exploit, which whether you like the context or not, is a perfectly valid usage of the word in the context of the post. Your own irrelevant opinion does not change that fact and neither does ccp ruling one way or the other.

Furthermore, not all exploits that even by your pointlessly limited definition of the word are named exploits by ccp are known to the company yet. Your limitation on the word serves NO PURPOSE to anyone at all, and having your links butt buddy come in here saying stupid things changes nothing about that fact.

Finally, the real issue which you are still avoiding is that people are not being aggressed by hostile navy in high sec which is a fact you are going to have to accept, and the only reason we don't have conclusive proof already is because people are doing this in jita where local had a thousand players on the list. Several people have already reported seeing this, I've seen it, you know about, most of gallente knows about it, croak roach and spar multendor and their gang knows about it, apparently you and your friend are the only people in all of eve who don't know about this issue, and I find that very suspect given the fact that you lie on these forums constantly.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#29 - 2015-08-13 15:15:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Legatus1982 wrote:
...I've seen it, you know about, most of gallente knows about it, croak roach and spar multendor and their gang knows about it, apparently you and your friend are the only people in all of eve who don't know about this issue, and I find that very suspect given the fact that you lie on these forums constantly.


Sometimes you cant get though one sentence without contradicting yourself.

Im not deflecting anything. Im deferring judgement to CCP, who have been aware of this behavior for many years and have not called it an exploit.

As for my opinion on the behavior itself, i dont really care either way. Your assessment of the situation is laughable though. 'JITA LOCAL TOO BIG TO IDENTIFY PEOPLE USING SANCTIONED MECHANICS WHICH I CALL EXPLOIT'

As for unknown abuses of mechanics. If you are abusing some mechanic but fail to inform CCP and ask for their judgement you will just as likely be banned as you would if you use a known exploit that has not yet been fixed.

As had been said, file a petition if you think someone is abusing a mechanic in an unknown way that CCP may consider exploiting.

But you dont just get to slap the word 'eploit' on to everything you dont like.
Legatus1982
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#30 - 2015-08-13 15:42:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Legatus1982
We've already been through the usage of the word exploit, you're definitely completely wrong, the second highlighted portion of your quote is clearly sarcasm and needs no explanation other than yet another attempt from you to dishonestly claim ignorance, and the fact that jita has too big of a local list is in fact the reason this guy's picture doesn't definitively prove the case being made whether you like that fact or not.

It's only a matter of time before ccp catches this because the use is so wide spread and I am fully certain you already know of said exploit due to the fact that you are again probably the most dishonest person on these forums. And that's saying alot given the nature of these forums.

I'm not going to waste more time on the issue, you are as usual perpetually a child and the exploit will eventually be caught whether you lie all day on the forums or not.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#31 - 2015-08-13 15:48:21 UTC
File a petition and explain to CCP why their own definition of exploit is wrong in the context of their own game lol.
X Nibiru
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2015-08-14 17:03:54 UTC
I was really just curious. Thanks to all that had an explanation.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#33 - 2015-08-14 20:13:43 UTC
Legatus1982 wrote:
Oh look another links alt owner is in here defending his buddy imagine my surprise. Your credibility was never higher.


And if you had any sense you would petition it. Something tells me you already have and were told it wasn't.
Legatus1982
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#34 - 2015-08-15 03:41:48 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Legatus1982 wrote:
Oh look another links alt owner is in here defending his buddy imagine my surprise. Your credibility was never higher.


And if you had any sense you would petition it. Something tells me you already have and were told it wasn't.


And you'd be assuming a lot of incorrect things, which is not surprising, but not buying it. More likely you lie as much as your butt buddy to keep things going your way and give no thought to the game state.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#35 - 2015-08-15 11:05:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Legatus1982 wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Legatus1982 wrote:
Oh look another links alt owner is in here defending his buddy imagine my surprise. Your credibility was never higher.


And if you had any sense you would petition it. Something tells me you already have and were told it wasn't.


And you'd be assuming a lot of incorrect things, which is not surprising, but not buying it. More likely you lie as much as your butt buddy to keep things going your way and give no thought to the game state.


Well, 0/10 for constructing a coherent sentence let alone argument.

Are you saying these guys are making you cry and you HAVENT petitioned them? Cmon, even CCP needs a laugh!

One way to fix the problem of high sec FW campers is to just leave FW if you want to be in high sec, or move to low sec.

Caldari militia used to camp our newb FDU system in villore years ago. It was the best thing they could have done for Gal mil since it forced a lot of people to man up and move to low sec which was one of the catalysts for Gal mils current superiority and general cohesion over Caldari.

Problems in EVE are usually only as bad as you inability to respond makes them. If CCP solved all of the problems in EVE there wouldnt be much of a game left.
Legatus1982
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2015-08-15 17:47:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Legatus1982
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Legatus1982 wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Legatus1982 wrote:
Oh look another links alt owner is in here defending his buddy imagine my surprise. Your credibility was never higher.


And if you had any sense you would petition it. Something tells me you already have and were told it wasn't.


And you'd be assuming a lot of incorrect things, which is not surprising, but not buying it. More likely you lie as much as your butt buddy to keep things going your way and give no thought to the game state.


Well, 0/10 for constructing a coherent sentence let alone argument.

Are you saying these guys are making you cry and you HAVENT petitioned them? Cmon, even CCP needs a laugh!

One way to fix the problem of high sec FW campers is to just leave FW if you want to be in high sec, or move to low sec.

Caldari militia used to camp our newb FDU system in villore years ago. It was the best thing they could have done for Gal mil since it forced a lot of people to man up and move to low sec which was one of the catalysts for Gal mils current superiority and general cohesion over Caldari.

Problems in EVE are usually only as bad as you inability to respond makes them. If CCP solved all of the problems in EVE there wouldnt be much of a game left.


You see anything on my kill board in high sec?

I don't have the patience for your ignorance. Learn what it is you're talking about.
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#37 - 2015-08-15 18:22:57 UTC
Legatus1982 wrote:
You see anything on my kill board in high sec?

I don't have the patience for your ignorance. Learn what it is you're talking about.

Yet apparently something which has been going on for literally years is something new to you which you think CCP will declare an exploit any day now.Straight

I will agree with you and the OP that the FW npc coding is stupid. And every militia has people that take advantage of it. And it is not just station camping in the other militias high sec that is a ******** reality in this game. For instance why do the damn NPC gallente attack me if I go into a mission site to kill a squid missioner?

But blaming people that have figured out how to distract the brainless and badly coded NPC militia, when it has been distractable for years, is simply being a whiner. If you have a valid whine, direct it at the offending party, CCP. They have not declared the long used tactics to defang the NPC militias as an exploit for years. And wont be doing it any day now. But they might be persuaded to improve the coding with NPCs if you would bark as loudly to them as you are in this thread.

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#38 - 2015-08-16 14:15:13 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
Ok let me clear this up some time ago the owner on faceless pamela on another toon was in our corp we went upto lithura and camped we figured if u jumped in 10 bs that would take all the spawn and then u could jump logi and anything else u wanted in and they wouldnt get wrecked just aslong as ur drones didnt attack enemy npcs (this would make aggro switch from the initial 10).....
Being the ingenious guy he is he started thinking of ways to solo this way he would hunt down mission runners in facwar but HS lvl4s so he came up with the drone / rep theory and the fast frigate alt which both worked to a great extent.

Once realising the drone thing worked 2 more corpys Scrutt5 and Dav Varien started to do it in jita, which both of them petetioned ccp and asked them if it was a valid mechanic. Both recieved replys saying they were aware of it and it was fine they even went as far as calling it clever gameplay / use of mechanics and wished them well in there endevours.....

Also Arthur Hellsing a gal pilot saw them doing this and frapsed it and posted it on this forum probably 2 years ago and also petitioned ccp (look for it) now im sure arthur was told the same thing as he now murders people in high sec all the time.

lorren gallen did the mission runner hunting aswell he was probably the best in the game at it and became number 1 on battleclinic for years im sure ccp was also aware of this and did nothing as he was just using mechanics..

im sure your getting the picture now unless ur totally braindead, CCP know about this and have for years instead of calling it an exploit they called it clever gameplay and allowed people to carry on doingit.

Its only an exploit if its something thats unintened by the gamemakers and is EXPLOITED again and again

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
Icarius
The Wings of Maak
#39 - 2015-08-16 15:07:21 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:

lorren gallen did the mission runner hunting aswell he was probably the best in the game at it and became number 1 on battleclinic for years im sure ccp was also aware of this and did nothing as he was just using mechanics..


This .. is false
Lorren gallen, in recent years, before leaving game, didn't use tanking drone or fast frigate alt. Most of the time, he used to shield tank navy spaw with his machariel boosted by a tengu alt. This is quite pathetic , there is no links between lorren gallen first place and your tactics.

You try to make us believe that anyone fighting in hostile hi sec is using your borderlines tactics.

I am sorry, but there is a problem.

Last time croakroach was playing in abudban "in the wrong side" , it was for me very interesting to study it.
And what i found ... a rattelsnake inside a force field while his drone was outside the force field.
A neutral Nestor was remote repairing the drone and it was impossible for me to lock the rattlesnake inside the force field or to shot the Nestor

if at least I could shot the nestor i would consider it as a valid tactic. This is a broken feature.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#40 - 2015-08-16 16:36:34 UTC
pop the drone?