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You guys are prob the right audience for this. Deep stuff

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Eva Isu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-08-07 19:37:52 UTC
My experience's playing MMO's have only strengthen the bellow theory for me.

We are not living in a real universe but living in a simulated universe, and we're being simulated on the hard drives of computers in the future. You can get this conclusion with a few simple steps, just by making few assumptions, the assumptions are very strong and plausible assumptions.

Assumption 1 - You simply have to acknowledge consciousness is at its bottom a result from information processing at the level the of the brain and there is nothing magical about brain. The information processing could be processing on a future computer. Most scientists think that's true they don't think there's anything magical about the brain in our heads and all predict that consciousness will at some point in the future be created on a computer.

Assumption 2- If assumption 1 hold true and that humans one day imbue consciousness into a computer, you simply have to grant that humans in the future will run simulations of the past, in the way that we run simulations in games like the Sims or Rome total war or eve online.

The first two assumptions are quite likely true and very plausible then from that point we only have to take a short movement to assumption 3.

Assumption 3- simulated universes almost by definition, will outnumber real universes if they can run one simulation people of the future will likely run many and therefore simply by playing the odds we're a lot more likely to be living in one of the many simulated ancestor universes that the lone original universe.
Everyone acknowledges that the idea seems crazy, But the assumptions are very strong.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#2 - 2015-08-07 21:37:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Its hypothesis not a theory, you dont have evidence it could exist in the first place. You can't test or experiment somehow to prove that everything is simulated.

Your problem is metaphysical.
Khaleesi Hekki
#3 - 2015-08-07 22:16:45 UTC
Eva Isu wrote:

We are not living in a real universe but living in a simulated universe, and we're being simulated on the hard drives of computers in the future. .


Feeling like you're living in the Matrix?

The girl with the Caldari tattoo......

Eva Isu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-08-07 22:27:49 UTC
Khaleesi Hekki wrote:
Eva Isu wrote:

We are not living in a real universe but living in a simulated universe, and we're being simulated on the hard drives of computers in the future. .


Feeling like you're living in the Matrix?



A little bit yeah.
Eva Isu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-08-07 22:50:32 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Its hypothesis not a theory, you dont have evidence it could exist in the first place. You can't test or experiment somehow to prove that everything is simulated.

Your problem is metaphysical.



I'm not saying I have evidence I'm not saying its true, I'm saying it is possible. And it's a more viable hypothesis than the whole god nonsence.


edit - mind blown, what if god is a fat teenager in the year 3234 running an ancestor simulation. ShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedOops
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#6 - 2015-08-07 23:31:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Eva Isu wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Its hypothesis not a theory, you dont have evidence it could exist in the first place. You can't test or experiment somehow to prove that everything is simulated.

Your problem is metaphysical.



I'm not saying I have evidence I'm not saying its true, I'm saying it is possible. And it's a more viable hypothesis than the whole god nonsence.


edit - mind blown, what if god is a fat teenager in the year 3234 running an ancestor simulation. ShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedOops


You are obliterating boundaries of meaning of the "real" and "simulated", Your simulation hence becomes as real as reality in which simulation takes place.

Because: how can you distinguish simulation from reality, when your simulation is reality for you? You can't.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#7 - 2015-08-08 05:33:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Eva Isu wrote:
And it's a more viable hypothesis than the whole god nonsence.


But you just defined a god. The creator of a system, ruler of a computer simulation, the admin, is a god, or a God.

The rest is hypothesis you've only presented, or a conclusion but from no foundational presentation. The actual applied science emerges from black hole physics and from which the hypothesis or the theory of the digital universe (digital physics) which it's known as.

I tend to enjoy the theory of the holographic universe (just the science, not the various religious or anti-religious views some attach), which is also from the digital universe. Many representations, but I'd go with no hard drive as we know it, more likely a sphere where everything really exists on (like a 2d plane), and then projected within a spacial cavity of the sphere. I guess in reverse it would be something like a whiteboard, but rather we are in 2d while the whiteboard is 3d. But not simply 2d, but another dimensional layer, which in a way could be microscopically close to the 3d dimension; as another layer. Think of it in general terms, since I'm not outside of it to explain it. Anyway, if anything like that is the case, then that would probably amount to this being something like a hatchery for inelegant life rather than just a simple simulation. Everyone in the same reality, not separate delusional states or something. Reality really being reality, and well represented, just not exactly to our understanding or current apprehension which would be incomprehensible in it's raw form. There is also a computer virus theory to this, but won't get into it here. But, our reality may have some problems.

edit: repaired broken quote format, was obvious though.
But yeah, whatever it is, there is something in this digital stuff, well worth looking into over time objectively.
For science!

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#8 - 2015-08-08 05:51:06 UTC
Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-08-08 08:02:41 UTC
If you care to think about it a 3d image on a flat screen is basically nothing else than software and electricity.
Everything is possible; after all an advanced VR headset can make you feel immersed in an universe that is basically only zeroes and ones processed by a computer. Future tech may offer more advanced method of immersion like full suites with sensors and neural stimulants for a deeper immersion and higher realism.

"Never not blob!" ~ Plato

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#10 - 2015-08-08 10:05:27 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
O great programmer, send us a "hello world" in the sky.

I would imaging that to be the reaction of most of the indigenous population of Matar to say just before the Amarr would vaporize most and haul the rest away to slave pleasure hubs for their amusement. Careful what you wish for Big smile

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#11 - 2015-08-08 13:51:15 UTC
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-08-09 03:03:36 UTC
Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-08-10 03:24:00 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Its hypothesis not a theory, you dont have evidence it could exist in the first place. You can't test or experiment somehow to prove that everything is simulated.

Your problem is metaphysical.


I have proven beyond any doubt that in fact sex can be simulated. *cough*
i have tested and retested this throughly for many years *cough decades cough*
Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-08-10 09:48:53 UTC

Outside of the topic but not entirely since it is a procedurally generated universe:

http://en.spaceengine.org/

"Never not blob!" ~ Plato

voetius
Grundrisse
#15 - 2015-08-10 20:49:56 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Its hypothesis not a theory, you dont have evidence it could exist in the first place. You can't test or experiment somehow to prove that everything is simulated.

Your problem is metaphysical.


^ What Nana said. Your problem is a metaphysical problem. Not a question of science.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demarcation_problem

The demarcation problem is about how distinguish science from metaphysics. Your 'hypothesis' fails because it cannot be falsified. You might be interested in finding out a bit more about this, I recommend Popper "Logic of Scientific Discovery" and a more popular treatment in "The Pig that wants to be eaten" by Baggini.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#16 - 2015-08-10 20:56:24 UTC
In reading these forums every day, I have developed a theory of my own.

Intelligence is an evolutionary dead end.

Mr Epeen Cool
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#17 - 2015-08-11 18:16:04 UTC
Whoever is my programmer should have made me get a better nights sleep yesterday.
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2015-08-11 18:27:33 UTC
voetius wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Its hypothesis not a theory, you dont have evidence it could exist in the first place. You can't test or experiment somehow to prove that everything is simulated.

Your problem is metaphysical.


^ What Nana said. Your problem is a metaphysical problem. Not a question of science.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demarcation_problem

The demarcation problem is about how distinguish science from metaphysics. Your 'hypothesis' fails because it cannot be falsified. You might be interested in finding out a bit more about this, I recommend Popper "Logic of Scientific Discovery" and a more popular treatment in "The Pig that wants to be eaten" by Baggini.

Cool stuff, gives a name to what I was feeling about the OP but couldn't quite put into words.

Grrr.

Jenshae Chiroptera
#19 - 2015-08-14 12:31:03 UTC
Organisms become more complex in a competition of procreation.
Consciousness is just added complexity and studies show that we are far less conscious than we think we are. Most of our lives are automated.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#20 - 2015-08-14 12:37:35 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Organisms become more complex in a competition of procreation.
Consciousness is just added complexity and studies show that we are far less conscious than we think we are. Most of our lives are automated.
Only until my first cup of coffee of the day.
Otherwise I'm the tree outside my bedroom window.
When I was a baby, I never had these issues, I KNEW that the universe revolved around me.
Now I gotta like pretend it doesn't sort of Straight

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

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