EVE General Discussion

In a few months we will be at the point where people aren't willing to pay anything for plex because they've left the game.

I don't think it would reduce at all tbh, there are enough people willing to pay the current prices, because it represents a very small percentage of their in game income stream, that any glut of cheaper PLEX would simply be snapped up and relisted at a profitable price or added to an existing stockpile.

The people who are sitting on PLEX stockpiles can afford to buy them in bulk as fast as they appear, by virtue of having enough space gold to make Scrooge Mcduck look like a hobo.

Doom and gloom...

I don't see how you could doubt his predictive power. He's clearly the central planner we all need.

He has evidence and reasoning to support his stance, which coincidentally directly contradict your assumptions, so that's an immediate mark in his favour. He also concludes that it won't actually make PLEX prices go down in the long run, but also happily skips over the fundamental problem that it drastically reduces not just CCP's income, but their ability to reliably predict that income over a long period.

So just because he makes more sense than you (and contradicts you in doing so) doesn't mean that the overall plan is very sensible or well thought-though, no.

Trying to evade the question by shifting the burden of proof will not make it go away — that's why it's a fallacy.

So: prove it.

I wasn't aware players were in some way obligated to come up with plans for this type of thing. I was under the impression that players could, you know, just play the game and CCP would come up with their own business model.

Have CCP asked for player help in defining or changing their business model? Or did you just randomly wake up one day and decide to splurge Fedo-turd all over the forums while stroking yourself over your own apparent cleverness?

Yes I have: it's irrelevant, same as all your other pathetic attempts at misdirection. My answers do not in any way alter or affect your complete inability to articulate a coherent and well-supported argument for the change you want to see.

Present your argument or admit that you don't have one. Or, better yet, just be quiet and stop trolling.

*My* guess on what happened to it, is, the responsible party watched the market non-stop after placing it, saw a gradual trend down, and probably canceled the buy order before it filled. I just think of the isk lost in taxes, when I see a big bet like that ;)

Someone with 100 valuable anythings to sell, doesn't (in my opinion) dump them all to a buy order, unless they are truly done with the game, don't care, and taking a long vacation. The smarter thing is to put valuables up for sale in small groups so you can get a little more isk. And if the market moves suddenly, you haven't "put all your eggs in one basket."

You have collected a few stories about high plex prices discouraging some players from subbing that way, but, I agree with other posters here that there seem to be plenty of other players still around, picking up those plex's. Supplies are still very low (~1500), relative to the number of active players in-game.

Good news is on the horizon, in the form of an ad-worthy, marketable expansion to EVE centered around new Citadel structures. That ought to bring some re-sub's and new-subs, wanting to check out the new eye candy. The building of these new toys will buff industry and markets. They will provide a new reason (for some players) to spend real money on plexes to sell for isk.

The current price is a risky trade if you're buying, If what you're saying is accurate then he would have been left with 100 plex @1.25b. I am in full agreement with your take on what happened.

I also agree that there are still plenty of players demanding plex, By analysing threads, market numbers and logon numbers It does look as if there are less plex users than before and the information I have gathered points at more people leaving in the future due to this issue. It is something I will keep an eye on over the next few months to see if I am right.

Whats your view on the possibility that the RL cost of plex could affect the isk cost in game?

Thank you for that! I've just been going by unscientific spot checks of current availability. A monthly trade volume is a more useful number. And while "supply glut" is a generous term, I agree with it in principle, as we went from a low of around ~500 in my spot check of eve-central 3-4 days ago, when this thread started heating up with posts from players noticing the run up, to today around ~1500. Plex price seems to be stabilizing at a new level, no idea how long it will hold.

The relationship is very complex, and I agree with others here that you may not be taking enough factors into account, trying to draw a cause and effect between. I'd probably get it wrong, or at least leave something out if I tried to describe all the possible factors that tug on the ISK cost of PLEX, backtracking to a feedback loop of its RL cost.

CCP encourages direct subs, by keeping PLEX higher than 6 and 12 month discount plans. PLEX was first designed as a legal source of one-way RL to ISK conversion, for players who might buy isk / RMT. Its high ISK value makes the risks of buying ISK from black market sources not worth the risk of getting caught and banned.

CCP encourages other uses of PLEX, driving up its ISK value to some players, with its connection to the in-game store and stuff you can buy there.

Some players trying to stay on the F2P bandwagon may be falling off, due to the high(er) isk cost of PLEX, but it is still possible with consistent effort, and makes a good goal to strive for.

If a person has more money than time to be online, then, a monthly plan is the best way to go. If more time than money, then, keep at it, with market activity, incursions, mission spam, exploration, begging from friends, planetary industry (very nice at high skill levels and all three characters on an account.)